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Russia and Ukraine say their forces are locked in fierce fighting in the ruins of Pokrovsk
RWS ^ | November 5, 2025 | Andrew Osborn and Guy Faulconbridge

Posted on 11/05/2025 2:22:21 PM PST by Navy Patriot

Russia said on Wednesday that its forces were advancing north inside Pokrovsk in a drive to take full control of the Ukrainian city, but the Ukrainian army said its units were battling hard to try to stop the Russians from gaining new ground.

Ukraine has acknowledged that its troops face a difficult position in the strategic eastern city, once an important transport and logistics hub for the Ukrainian army...

Russia sees the city as the gateway to its capture of the remaining 10%, or 5,000 square km (1,930 square miles) of Ukraine's eastern industrial Donbas region...

The Russian defence ministry said two assault groups were destroying Ukrainian troops that were surrounded in several districts of the city and continuing an offensive pushing north through it. Russian forces were clearing Ukrainian troops from settlements on Pokrovsk's southeastern flank and had repelled Ukrainian attempts to break out of encirclement.

The Ukrainian military denied that its troops were surrounded in Pokrovsk. It said they were trying to stop Russian soldiers from digging in while seeking to secure and protect logistics routes in the wider area.

"Measures are being taken to block the enemy, which is attempting to infiltrate and accumulate in the city of Pokrovsk," the Ukrainian General Staff said in a statement.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Monday the area around Pokrovsk remained under severe pressure but that up to 300 Russian servicemen still in the city had made no gains in the past day and there were just 60 in another city, Kupiansk.

Ukrainian units were trapped in "cauldrons" in both locations, it said, and their position was deteriorating rapidly while Russian forces advanced, "leaving no chance for Ukrainian servicemen to save themselves other than by voluntary surrender".

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: proxywar; ukraine; welfarewar
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Not long now, to The Last Ukrainian Alive in Pokrovsk.
1 posted on 11/05/2025 2:22:21 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

Even pro Ukrainian military bloggers are now saying that Zelenskiy Is either lying or delusional


2 posted on 11/05/2025 2:32:37 PM PST by janetjanet998 (Please don’t use google products, especially YouTube )
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To: janetjanet998

I have no problem with Zelensky. He’s doing whatever gives him a chance to win. In this instance, lie about the battlefield and then request more support from the EU, which his lie justifies.

A time is reached when the decision to save lives compels surrender. This is why 100s of thousands of German troops (and Romanian and Italian and Hungarian) were lost at Stalingrad. Hitler got bad data from his own people. Cost all those lives when retreat might have been possible earlier.


3 posted on 11/05/2025 2:41:06 PM PST by Owen
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To: Navy Patriot

What is the point of destroying Pokrovsk in order to save it?


4 posted on 11/05/2025 2:43:36 PM PST by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: Navy Patriot
Article: Russia's military says it now controls more than 19% of Ukraine, or so me 116,000 square km (44,800 square miles).

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Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied a further 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine.[37] By 11 November 2022, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian occupation,[67] leaving Russia with control of about 18% of Ukraine.

Wiki

5 posted on 11/05/2025 2:44:12 PM PST by TexasGator (The 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: Paladin2

Clicks.


6 posted on 11/05/2025 2:47:05 PM PST by Navy Patriot (President Trump Decisively Won, Celebrate Recivilization!)
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To: Owen

“A time is reached when the decision to save lives compels surrender.”

Russia could have saved 27 million lives if they had surrendered to Germany.


7 posted on 11/05/2025 2:47:43 PM PST by TexasGator (IThe 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: Owen

“A time is reached when the decision to save lives compels surrender.”

Russia could have saved 27 million lives if they had surrendered to Germany.


8 posted on 11/05/2025 2:47:43 PM PST by TexasGator (IThe 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: TexasGator

Only Grokipedia references are read.


9 posted on 11/05/2025 2:49:37 PM PST by Navy Patriot (President Trump Decisively Won, Celebrate Recivilization!)
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To: Paladin2

Pokrovsk has ( had) a major rail line supplying the Ukies in the Donetsk region. Now gone.


10 posted on 11/05/2025 3:01:01 PM PST by delta7
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To: Navy Patriot

It’s a Bakhmut redux!


11 posted on 11/05/2025 3:01:32 PM PST by Tom Tetroxide (Psalm 146:3 "Do not trust in princes, in the Son of Man, who has no salvation.")
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To: Navy Patriot

Only Grokipedia references are read.


Amen brother.


12 posted on 11/05/2025 3:01:48 PM PST by delta7
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To: Navy Patriot
"Only Grokipedia references are read."

Article: Russia's military says it now controls more than 19% of Ukraine, or so me 116,000 square km (44,800 square miles).

-----------Grokipedia says same as wiki------

Occupied Territories and Referendums

Following the initial phases of the Russian invasion launched on February 24, 2022, Russian forces captured significant portions of southern and eastern Ukraine, establishing administrative control over occupied territories. By early March, Russian troops had seized Kherson city on March 2, along with much of Kherson Oblast, while advancing into parts of Zaporizhzhia Oblast, including the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant captured on March 4.[89] In the Donbas region, Russian-backed separatist entities in Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics—holding territory since 2014—expanded control amid intensified offensives, with Mariupol fully occupied by May 20 after a prolonged siege.[2] These areas, comprising roughly 15-20% of Ukraine's land by mid-2022,

13 posted on 11/05/2025 3:04:26 PM PST by TexasGator (IThe 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: Navy Patriot

“Only Grokipedia references are read.”

———— The record is accurate———

On 24 February 2022, Russian forces initiated a full-scale invasion of Ukraine,

https://grokipedia.com/page/2022_in_Ukraine


14 posted on 11/05/2025 3:06:46 PM PST by TexasGator (IThe 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: Tom Tetroxide

It’s a Bakhmut redux!
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Very heavy Criticism of Ukrainian military leadership

They should have pulled out weeks ago

Even the Zeepers favorite YouTuber , draft dodger Denys Davydov, has to report the bad news

Update from Ukraine | Urgent news from Pokrovsk! We have to Speak about it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9sw6ISWPGa0&t=464s


15 posted on 11/05/2025 3:07:53 PM PST by janetjanet998 (Please don’t use google products, especially YouTube )
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To: Navy Patriot

I found another article this morning that confirms the rout in on.

https://rmx.news/ukraine/its-too-late-to-retreat-key-ukrainian-logistics-hub-close-to-fully-captured-by-russian-forces-pro-ukrainian-journalist-says-there-is-no-sign-of-counter-offensive/


16 posted on 11/05/2025 3:08:12 PM PST by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRobr 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: delta7

“Amen brother.”

Thanks for recommending Grokipedia.


Legal and Regulatory Controversies

CFTC Investigations and Violations

In 1985, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) initiated an administrative enforcement action against Martin A. Armstrong, Princeton Economics Company (PEC), Economic Cycle Principals (ECP), and the Armstrong Report, alleging violations of the Commodity Exchange Act (CEA) for failing to register as a commodity trading advisor (CTA) and commodity pool operator (CPO) under section 4m, as well as fraud under section 4o(1) through misrepresentations of trading performance to clients.[33] The investigation covered activities from approximately 1984 to 1987, during which Armstrong advised on commodity futures interests without required disclosures or registration, exaggerating historical returns and omitting risks.[33] An administrative law judge found the violations in 1990, and the CFTC affirmed in 1991, imposing a 12-month ban on Armstrong trading commodity interests, cease-and-desist orders against future violations, revocation of any implied registrations, and civil penalties including $10,000 personally against Armstrong and over $500,000 against the associated entities.[33] The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld these sanctions in 1993, rejecting Armstrong’s challenges that the CEA’s registration requirements infringed on free speech.[33]

A subsequent CFTC investigation culminated in a civil complaint filed on September 13, 1999, against Armstrong, Princeton Global Management Ltd. (PGM), and Princeton Economics International Ltd. (PEI), charging fraud in the operation of an unregistered commodity pool from November 1997 through at least September 1999.[29] [27] The agencies alleged that Armstrong, as chairman directing PGM and PEI, defrauded investors—primarily Japanese institutions—by issuing promissory notes totaling about $1 billion promising returns from commodity futures trading, while concealing trading losses exceeding $500 million by June 30, 1999, and distributing fraudulent net asset value reports that misrepresented pool performance.[27] Funds were diverted from trading to other uses, reducing pool assets to $46 million by August 31, 1999, in violation of CEA sections 4b (general antifraud), 4o(1) (fraud by CTAs and CPOs), and 4m (unregistered operations).[27]

On June 24, 2008, and July 31, 2009, a U.S. District Court in New York entered consent orders resolving the case, without Armstrong or the firms admitting or denying the allegations, requiring over $27 million in remaining restitution—$25 million from Armstrong personally and $1.9 million each from PGM and PEI—and permanent injunctions barring them from commodity trading, registration as CTA or CPO, and further violations.[29] These penalties addressed unsatisfied portions of earlier restitution awards tied to the scheme, which the CFTC linked to broader losses approaching $700 million across related investor claims.[29] Armstrong cooperated in the settlements amid parallel SEC and criminal proceedings but maintained that the notes were legitimate short-term borrowings misrepresented as a Ponzi scheme by regulators.[29]

Criminal Fraud Charges and Conviction

In February 1999, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) filed a civil complaint against Martin A. Armstrong, Princeton Economics International Ltd. (PEI), and Princeton Global Management Ltd. (PGM), alleging securities fraud through misrepresentations of investment performance, commingling of client funds, and issuance of fraudulent reports on net asset values, resulting in undisclosed losses exceeding $700 million for over 130 investors.[28] Simultaneously, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) charged Armstrong, PEI, and PGM with commodities fraud for similar deceptive practices, including failure to disclose trading losses and use of new client funds to mask prior deficits in a manner resembling a Ponzi scheme.[29] The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York brought parallel criminal charges, indicting Armstrong on February 9, 2001, on 24 counts including conspiracy to commit securities fraud, wire fraud, and commodities fraud under 18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 1343, and 1348, stemming from a scheme that defrauded institutional investors from 1992 to 1999 by concealing losses and diverting funds.[3][34]
Armstrong, who had been detained since 2000 on unrelated contempt charges for refusing to surrender approximately $15 million in assets including gold coins and currency, remained in custody during proceedings.[35] On August 7, 2006, after over six years of pretrial detention, he entered a guilty plea in Manhattan federal court to one count of conspiracy to commit fraud, admitting to deceiving investors about losses and improperly commingling funds without contesting the underlying factual basis as outlined by prosecutors.[3][36] U.S. District Judge Richard Conway Casey accepted the plea, noting the scheme’s scale and Armstrong’s role in directing fraudulent activities through his advisory firms.[4]

On April 10, 2007, Armstrong was sentenced to the statutory maximum of five years’ imprisonment for the conspiracy conviction, along with three years of supervised release and $80 million in restitution to defrauded investors, reflecting the court’s determination of his central involvement in losses totaling over $700 million.[4][37] In parallel civil proceedings, a New York federal court in August 2009 ordered Armstrong, PEI, and PGM to pay more than $27 million in disgorgement, prejudgment interest, and civil penalties for the fraud violations, barring Armstrong from future commodity trading advisory roles.[29][35] The conviction has been upheld on appeal, with courts rejecting challenges to the plea and sentencing based on the factual record of investor deception and fund mismanagement.[38]

Contempt Proceedings and Imprisonment

In December 1999, amid civil enforcement actions by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) against Princeton Economics International and related entities, court-appointed receiver Joseph R. Guccione moved to hold Martin Armstrong in contempt for refusing to surrender corporate records and approximately $15 million in assets, including gold bars, rare coins, and antiquities, which regulators alleged were missing or hidden.[34][39] On January 13, 2000, U.S. District Judge John F. Keenan in the Southern District of New York found Armstrong in civil contempt and ordered his incarceration until compliance, determining that the sanctions were necessary to coerce production of the assets amid ongoing investigations into commodities fraud.[40][41]

Armstrong’s detention for civil contempt lasted over seven years, from January 2000 until April 27, 2007, when Judge Keenan ruled that further incarceration would no longer serve a coercive purpose, as Armstrong maintained he lacked control over or knowledge of the assets’ location, a claim the court deemed unpersuasive after extensive proceedings.[42][5] This duration exceeded the 18-month limit some statutes impose on civil contempt imprisonment without criminal charges, prompting Armstrong’s appeals arguing violations of the Non-Detention Act and due process, though the Second Circuit upheld the order in 2006, finding no constitutional bar to extended coercive detention when assets remained unproduced.[34][43]

Parallel to the contempt proceedings, Armstrong faced criminal charges; arrested in September 1999 on a securities fraud complaint, he pleaded guilty on August 17, 2006, to one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States by concealing assets from regulators.[3][44] On April 10, 2007—shortly after the contempt release—Judge Keenan sentenced him to five years’ imprisonment for the conspiracy conviction, followed by three years’ supervised release and a $700,000 fine, with the term structured to account for time served on contempt, resulting in a total incarceration of 11 years until his release on March 15, 2011.[45][4] The contempt phase drew criticism for its length, with Armstrong’s counsel arguing it effectively became punitive rather than remedial, but federal courts affirmed its civil nature tied to asset recovery efforts.[40][41]

https://grokipedia.com/page/Martin_A._Armstrong


17 posted on 11/05/2025 3:12:49 PM PST by TexasGator (IThe 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: tennmountainman

Kupyansk similar situation

Zelensky said today the Ukrainian forces are “mopping up the remaining 60 Russians in the city “

WTF is he talking about is the general consensus


18 posted on 11/05/2025 3:13:18 PM PST by janetjanet998 (Please don’t use google products, especially YouTube )
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To: tennmountainman

Hungarian sources are less biased.


19 posted on 11/05/2025 3:15:36 PM PST by Navy Patriot (President Trump Decisively Won, Celebrate Recivilization!)
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To: Navy Patriot

Pokrovsk Endgame | Kharkiv-Belgorod Operations Expanded - 18 Sqkm Captured
5NOV2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w5IRS6Jn_k

Killzone🔴Pokrovsk Cleansing Nearing End🟢⚔️A Powerful Assault on Siversk has Begun💥MS For 2025.11.04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrZOxU9jEvg


20 posted on 11/05/2025 3:18:07 PM PST by Tom Tetroxide (Psalm 146:3 "Do not trust in princes, in the Son of Man, who has no salvation.")
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