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Trump Accelerates Our Decline Into Moral Relativism
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 27, 2025 | Gerard Baker

Posted on 10/28/2025 11:41:47 AM PDT by karpov

Moral relativism is enticing. It enables me to establish the moral value of everything I do by reference to the behavior of others. It allows me to avoid censure by judging my intentions, choices and actions not on the basis of whether they are intrinsically right or wrong, but by the lesser standard of whether someone in a similar position might have done something similar.

It is deeply corrosive of personal mores and social trust. Over time it dulls the conscience to any moral hierarchy. It is never a legal defense and shouldn’t be a moral one.

Moral relativism is hardly new in public life. Self-exoneration through false moral equivalence by public figures is as old as time itself. But when it becomes the controlling ethical architecture of public behavior, we are in serious trouble. Its effect is to give leaders permission to do just about anything they want, unconstrained by guilt, shame or political sanction. Moral relativism and the ratchet effect will ensure that there is always some precedent close enough to persuade people to shrug even when confronted with some evidence of genuine turpitude on their own side.

We’ve been descending this spiral for a long time, but as with just about everything to do with the gargantuan figure of Donald Trump, his behavior has accelerated the descent.

His corrosive effect on norms of ethics, language and, for that matter, conservatism, has been amplified by the eager acquiescence of the Republican Party in the process.

The party that once liked to think of itself as committed to values and principles has become the most cynical exponent of the idea that everything is relative. A cheerleading chorus of so-called conservatives in the media eased the way.

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1 posted on 10/28/2025 11:41:47 AM PDT by karpov
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To: karpov

Too many big words. Ain’t gonna read it.


2 posted on 10/28/2025 11:43:44 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: karpov

Not as fast as the light-speed of the left that’s for sure.


3 posted on 10/28/2025 11:44:01 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: karpov

Gerard needs a giant projector around his neck.


4 posted on 10/28/2025 11:44:12 AM PDT by Track9 (Liberal tears make me smile. Thank you DJT!)
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To: karpov

“His corrosive effect on norms of ethics, language and, for that matter, conservatism, has been amplified by the eager acquiescence of the Republican Party in the process. “


LOL- because playing nice, as the RINO’s did from 2000 to 2015, really got us far....


5 posted on 10/28/2025 11:44:18 AM PDT by God luvs America
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Oh, yeah, Trump invented “moral relativism”. Dems NEVER did that before.

What an idiot.


6 posted on 10/28/2025 11:44:30 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: karpov

This is the same stupid argument we’ve been hearing for 10 years.


7 posted on 10/28/2025 11:44:34 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: karpov

This anti-trump limp wristed RINO is a a candidate for the George Will/Rich Lowry retard award


8 posted on 10/28/2025 11:46:31 AM PDT by pissant ((Deport 'em all))
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To: karpov
Another "conservative" for whom every problem is too complicated to be solved and every principle so high that action to "conserve" is prohibited.

In brief, a worthless jagoff.

9 posted on 10/28/2025 11:48:12 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: karpov

Fake.

Boy howdy, are the TDS sufferers getting desperate!

TDS sufferers are moral relativists to the extreme.

As this hit piece perfectly demonstrates, they are inveterate practitioners of what mental health practitioners refer to as “projection”.


10 posted on 10/28/2025 11:48:26 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: karpov

Wrong, Gerald. Yes, Trump can be boorish and petty. Yes, Trump tweets at times when he should shut up. But he is the necessary antidote to pre-Trump conservatism. The Bush / Boehner / Cantor / McCain conservatism that played by the rules set by the Dems and MSM even when the Dems changed the rules every election cycle to keep the advantage. The compassionate conservatism that accepted the Dem government programs like USAID that poured billions of dollars into anti-Republican and anti-conservative causes. The conservatism that had Boehner crying that his hands were tied to stop Obama even when the Republicans controlled both the House and Senate. The conservatism that “Believed All FBI and CIA agents” and knee-jerk found them above reproach even when they were plotting to overthrow elected Republicans. The conservatism that wanted to make the world safe for democracy even if it meant pouring hundreds of billions into places with no real US interest. So many of us are willing to take Trump’s “assault on norms” because the norms were causing our national decline.


11 posted on 10/28/2025 11:49:29 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Exactly.


12 posted on 10/28/2025 11:51:19 AM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as )
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To: God luvs America

The norms were the problem. Normal to talk sweet while wielding the shiv. Normal to take bribes & sweeteners. Normal to lie to the public. Normal to elevate donors/lobbyists above your oath to the Constitution & constituents. Normal to use insider knowledge to enrich yourself.
The author is a mite confused. Keeping your promises, telling even unpleasant truths, respecting the Constitution and judicial process are Trump hallmarks and represent true morality rather than the hypocrisy that has masqueraded as ethics.


13 posted on 10/28/2025 11:51:55 AM PDT by JayGalt (For America!)
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To: karpov

Admittedly I only read the excerpt, but what is there appears to be typical nonsense that is mostly conclusions and practically no facts whatsoever. Leftists hate facts because they can be checked out and the context can be examined. When presented with inconvenient facts that make them uncomfortable they nearly always resort to insults and personal attacks.


14 posted on 10/28/2025 11:52:00 AM PDT by Spok (If you really want to kill a good idea, give it to a committee. )
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To: Track9

“...a giant projector around his neck.”

I’d prefer a giant protractor...


15 posted on 10/28/2025 11:52:08 AM PDT by decal (They won't stop, so they'll have to be stopped)
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To: one guy in new jersey

Correct.


16 posted on 10/28/2025 11:52:16 AM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as )
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To: crusty old prospector
Must be Bill Kristol having a crying jag.

17 posted on 10/28/2025 11:52:31 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and his mercy endures forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: God luvs America

This has been going on since the first loser Bush took office.


18 posted on 10/28/2025 11:53:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: karpov
"It should be possible—and it is essential to a well-ordered society—to call out morally reprehensible behavior by your own side as well as by your opponents. That it no longer seems to be leaves us all morally degenerate."

As I said a theoretician: as a matter of moral theory this may be correct.

But if you are fighting in the political arena with an opponent who has weaponized government and engaged in massive corruption for decades, refusing to get your hands dirty means simply conceding the field to the enemy.

And when that enemy is as tyrannical and corrupt as the Democrats, and genuinely evil on abortion and child mutilating "transgenderism," I'm perfectly happy to see Trump's bull-in-the-China-shop approach to demolishing the whole edifice and forgive him his peccadillos.

19 posted on 10/28/2025 11:56:56 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: crusty old prospector

Yes, “is” and “it”, always tricky little devils on those elementary school English tests!


20 posted on 10/28/2025 11:58:54 AM PDT by Old West Conservative
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