Posted on 10/21/2025 1:04:59 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
President Donald Trump and his team want Americans to have more babies. In fact, that was the prevailing narrative when the White House announced new guidance last week explicitly designed to “increase access” to in vitro fertilization.
“We want to make it easier for all couples to have babies, raise children, and start the families they’ve always dreamed about,” Trump said.
The means the administration are promoting to seemingly reach that end — lowering the prices of IVF and other assisted reproductive technology drugs as well as offering a new employer fertility insurance benefit — however are morally, ethically, and functionally faulty.
Family building between a married man and woman, as I’ve written many times before, is a noble and necessary feat. In fact, now more than ever, the U.S. could use a birth rate boost.
That boost, however, cannot and should not come at the expense of 93 to 97 percent of the test tube babies who will not make it to birth or even a womb. There’s no denying that expanding IVF not only does little to fix the West’s fertility woes, but also kills more unborn babies than abortion every year.
On the contrary, Big Fertility, whose biggest seller is IVF, routinely prioritizes profit over people. The industry offers anyone and everyone, regardless of their relationship status or sexuality, the opportunity to buy their way into parenthood without regard for children’s natural rights. The consequences of this commodification include...
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NOW what??? The Liberals demanded this, but now they hate it because Trump gave it to them...???
If you want more babies then encourage women to take back their role as wives and mothers, and stop forcing them into the workforce. Also give them the protection of stable marriages that cannot be broken on a whim.
Basic economics. Cost of living.
And some women genuinely enjoy a proper work/home life balance and may not want that many kids.
pro life Ping
IVF, like any medical procedure, is insanely overpriced in the United States.
An zygote that has not attached to a womb, is literally a clump of cells with zero possibility of becoming a person. It is really no different than any one of a bunch of medications that will prevent the same from happening.
Don’t get me wrong, I am a pretty staunch anti abortion guy. I just don’t think this is the hill to die on.
That makes sense to me. How about the babies who die because the egg is fertilized, but never attaches?
I have 5 instead of two grandchildren instead of 2 because of the procedure.
You could start by reforming child support. Right now, it rewards women to leave their husbands by overpaying them for 20 years.
The main reason families have less kids is the cost. With working people having to pay baby mommas and illegals expenses, they have to cut back on their own.
Reform welfare and get rid of illegals and cut taxes, so people can have more of their money to spend on themselves.
Children were always expensive and we were once less affluent than we are today. The difference was that we used to teach children that an important goal in life was to get married and have children. Now we teach them that they should be independent even in marriage and children are only an optional accessory if they want them.
A zygote has a unique genetic code and is no different than one in a woman’s body. Your reasoning is similar to those supporting abortion.
We’ll get 40 more babies and 400 m9re deaths....and justify child killing.
Accept what God has given you with graditude.
“Why is a zygote not a human?
AI Overview
Zygote:
Formation, Timing, Twins, Complications
A zygote is not considered a human being because it is a single cell that is not yet an individual organism and does not possess the necessary characteristics for personhood.
Arguments against a zygote being a human include its ability to split into identical twins and its dependence on the mother’s body for development, as it cannot yet be a person in itself and is not a human being with the potential to become two if it splits.
A zygote is also not a human being because it cannot be identical to either human being it will become, nor is it identical to the placenta that will also form alongside it.
Biological arguments
A single cell:
A zygote is a single-celled organism that lacks the complex body parts and organs of a human, such as a head, limbs, and brain.
Splitting to form twins:
The zygote can split to form identical twins. Since it cannot be identical to both of the individuals it will become, it cannot already be a human being.
Fusion to form chimeras:
Conversely, two embryos can fuse to form a chimera. This further complicates the idea that a single zygote is a human being because it suggests the possibility of fusion after the initial formation of the zygote.
Dependence on the mother:
A zygote is dependent on the mother’s body for development, much like a fetus is. It is not an independent being, and it also forms a placenta which cannot be considered a human being.
Potential for misdevelopment:
A zygote can develop into a hydatidiform mole or other non-human formations, and up to 50% of zygotes are spontaneously aborted, which suggests that genetic makeup alone is not a sufficient condition for a human being.
Lack of “personhood” markers:
Personhood is often debated to involve consciousness, sentience, and individuality, none of which are present in a zygote. “
Bingo.
Yes, those who want to to do right by their kids need to be the priority.
Human young need mother care and father involvement. Everything else is inferior.
As I said, the same arguments given by supporters of abortion. It is a human being with a unique genetic marker and that is enough to make it a person, even if not fully developed.
You say a zygote is not a human.
You didn’t say when it does become a human.
Please tell us.
I always make my moral decisions after consulting AI. /s
The real point is whether the destruction of human life (from IVF, for example), is any different than the murder of a born person. Since science now unequivocally tells us that at conception it is a human being, that should be the starting point for any consideration of this question, not the aftermath.
As I said in another thread on this topic, when we speak of human zygotes, embryos, fetuses, babies, children, teenagers, adults, middle-aged, and old age, these are all simply descriptions of the various stages of human development. Some occur on one side of the birth canal, others on the other side. Some may have been conceived under less-than-ideal circumstances. Some may be imperfect or unwanted by their parents or by society. But all are living human beings. All have an equal human dignity. None should unjustly be deprived of life.
So where do we draw the line at the taking of an innocent human life? What difference does location or stage of human development make? If we lower ourselves to countenance taking the life one category of people for our own convenience and satisfaction, who is next?
Before it can become a legal issue, the moral issue has to be addressed. Before there were written laws against pre-meditated murder, there was a general consensus that it was wrong and this was the basis of the law against murder.
Even though it seems clear to me and others that based on the scientific evidence it is rational to conclude that human life begins at conception, it is an unfortunate fact there is doubt or disbelief about this in a large segment of the population. Is it a human life, or isn't it? If it isn't, you can do whatever you want with it. If it is, it should be treated like all other human life. If one simply does not know, it should be given the benefit of the doubt of being human until proved otherwise. It would be akin to seeing a human shaped bag in the middle of the road. If there's a chance there's a human being in there, do you stop or go around it, or just run over it because you don't know? If you are going to err, it's always wise to err on the side of life.
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