Posted on 10/19/2025 9:14:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
In January, when the Trump Administration reduced electric vehicle subsidies, environmentalists confidently asserted that the rest of the world would reject such an approach. Now, nine months later, it seems everyone is following his lead.
“Automakers have been saying that consumers aren’t adopting EVs as quickly as expected, and government efforts to proliferate the technology are hammering their bottom lines,” explains the Wall Street Journal. It quotes an expert at the consulting firm McKinsey as concluding that “EVs aren’t smartphones.”
You can say that again.
Good.
Strange.
The graphs for 2030 sales forecasts end in 2025...
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Those are the projections for 2030 that were made in three different years: 2023, 2024, and 2025. (I think).
OK
I think you are correct.
Seems like a confusing way to present the data...
When government subsidizes a product it is a sign of major corruption. For instance solar, wind, insurance and education.
It’s almost like consumers know what kind of vehicles they want, and even with EV options, the vast majority have said they don’t want them for a multitude of reasons.
In other words, the EU has decided that eliminating plant food might not be such a good thing.
And, that without massive subsidies, there is no "market" for EVs.
The cost of open borders, socialism and Gaia Worship are adding up to more than various governments can pay. So now they have to choose. Do you want to keep subsidizing the invasion of your country by hordes of feral Muslims and Africans? Do you want to keep your socialist medical system? Do you want to sacrifice your economy to Gaia? At the very least you can probably only maintain 2 of those.....for now. Soon it will be just one of those and then you won’t have enough money for even that.
Awesome! As they say, imitation is the highest form of flattery. EV’s should be decided by the free market.
EVs are down and oil prices are down — Today WTI Crude • $57.09
ICE engine cars benefit for lower crude prices.
The time to decide NOT to get all excited about EVs was BEFORE they decided to ramp up production. They might have studied this mess a little more first. Now they already have spent a bunch of money only to find out what many people already knew & had decided.
Waiting to see a post from the ever humble GenXPolymath.
Until there is a real incentive the market will remain only for secondary vehicles.
The other major concern is that when educated about the danger of having a Lithium Ion battery weighing 1000 pounds charging in the garage attached to the house where you and your family are sleeping most people are saying NO.
IF/WHEN they come up with a battery that is NOT going to burn my house down and I can drive back and forth to work or the grocery store or weekend errands then I would consider a plug in hybrid.
FYI, I do not leave the 30 watt battery for my Sthil electric chainsaw plugged in overnight in my garage.
The other major factor in Europe is that electricity is on average much more expensive/KHW.
So, there is not nearly the economic return.
In countries like Italy most people do not have electric dryers or stoves because of the cost of electricity.
They hang their clothes to dry. Even in Rome.
On the opposite scale of that is eastern Idaho. Which has some of the cheapest electric rates in the country. They also get most of their power from the Snake River.
So, their electric really is GREEN.
I have a buddy who loves his Tesla Model S Plaid. Which he says is more fun to drive than his former Porsche 911 turbo.
He also charges it outside at home or at his business.
Where he had his employee install the 50 amp breaker and cable to power it.
I honestly don't know how much of the EV push from car makers was from leftist leadership, or from fear of the increasing government regulations and restrictions on ICE cars. It may be that the car corporations were themselves the victims and practically forced to go in on EV's, at least enough to show that they were giving it a good ol' college try.
I am guessing it was a combination of things from the feds setting mileage standards and numerous states led by California to mandate EVs. They also got the go ahead from their big investors like BlackRock and Vanguard. If they did ask consumers, it was through push polls that led consumers to believe EVs are a valid replacement for ICE cars in most instances.
And you also make a good point that owning an EV can have value in a free market (my EV is fun to drive, and it's convenient to charge at home). And considering your power rates (my numbers are based on Alabama's power rates), it may be cheaper to drive than a gas car if you drive enough home charged miles for the gas savings and oil change savings to be worth the extra fixed costs and flat regular costs that come with an EV. Here, that's about 12K miles annually of home charged miles. My wife and I drive our EV 18K miles per year on just home charged miles. So the gas savings and oil change savings is very real and more than makes up for the increase in insurance (no EV rate rider, but it's a more expensive car and, therefore, has a higher rate), and car tag renewal (my state charges a higher per diem for EV's, that comes out to about $200 more per year, to account for me not paying gas taxes at the pump, which seems fair), and initial fixed cost of hiring an electrician to install two charging circuits out in the garage.
But don't get an EV just because it works for us. Anyone ought to do his homework first. My suggestion is that an EV isn't worth considering unless you:
1) Drive plenty of home charged miles for the gas savings to be worth it. Expect your EV to get 3.5 miles/kWh and do the math on how much it'd add to your electric bill vs how much it saves you at the gas pump.
2) You can set up home charging. The road-side charging can cost as much or more than gassing up a car.
3) You need two cars anyway and only one car will be the EV. There are some situations an EV won't do well in. My wife and I do most of our driving in the EV to save gas (we no longer say "her car" or "his truck", it's "the EV" and "the truck" and the truck isn't driven if we need just one car unless there are pickup chores involved). But we may one day take a trip in an area that has few road-side chargers or up north in the cold (where road-side charging is slow).
4) Research ahead of time most of the road trips you take to make sure that there are plenty of fast EV chargers. (Assuming the EV will be the newer, and therefore, the most comfortable car you'd want to take on most trips.)
My wife and I check off all the boxes above and, thus, we're happy with doing most of our driving in the EV. IMHO it'd be impractical for someone to get an EV if he/she doesn't meet all of the requirements above.
It depends upon the Lithium Ion battery type. Lithium Iron Phosphate(LFP) batteries are more stable and less prone to catching fire than Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt(NMC) batteries. Here is the summary from a Brave query:
In summary, the choice between LFP and NMC depends on the application. LFP is preferred for safety-critical, long-life, and cost-sensitive applications like stationary storage and entry-level EVs. NMC is favored for high-performance applications where energy density and range are paramount, such as premium EVs and consumer electronics. The trend in the EV industry is shifting toward LFP for standard-range models due to cost and safety benefits, while NMC remains dominant in high-performance segments.
Meanwhile, in wacky woke places like Kalifornia, they are hellbent on tearing down any and all dams that provide the same Green energy. Just look up the Klamath Dam Disaster. Polluted huuuuge areas when they simply pulled the plug on multiple dams.
Also, the Kalifornia dam wackos suggested getting rid of the Hetch Hetchy dam...... Until some wizard of Smart realized that this is the source of drinking water for all of San Francisco, and a large part of the Bay Area. Then, all of a sudden, the Hetch Hetchy Dam was deemed 'okay.'
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