Zelenskyy promises to only use Tomahawks against Russian military targets

al Jazeera ^ | 12 Oct 2025 | News Agencies

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Did he double-dog dare promise?

[delta7]

Even senile Joe would not give St Z long range missiles. What has happened to President Trump? I suspect the Neo-cons have his ear....that said, Trump still hasn’t made a decision ( that we know about).

[mass55th]

Oh pretty please!!! Can I please have Tomahawk Missiles??? Pretty please with sugar on it???

[House Atreides]

Can we please not try to be Masters of the Universe and involve ourselves in EVERYTHING? I guess it’s too much to ask.

[DesertRhino]

Just like Independence Day where they taught a bunch of regular guys to fly F-18s. They trained some Ukes on operation of the Tomahawk....easy, only took a day or two.

[Mariner]

Trump will not ship Tomahawks to Ukraine.

[Sacajaweau]

"Z" can't be trusted.

This war will end when "Z" discovers that Russia has already conquered 20% of Ukraine and chances of getting it back are "0".

Yeh...I know what Trump said...that was a bone for "Z".....kinda like giving him the 2 of spades for his one card deck.

[Owen]

The sequence of game changers:

British Challenger tanks will be shipped in

M1-Abrams will be shipped in

Patriots will be shipped in

F-16s will be shipped in

A few drone strikes happened on the bomber leg of the Russian strategic Triad

The Coalition of the Willing will “prepare” to
deploy troops just as soon as there is a ceasefire

There will be bone-breaking sanctions

India will be forced via sanction/tariff to end all oil purchases from Russia

And now, Tomahawks will be threatened (so far, not approved)

Winter cometh

[ansel12]

Why would you call everything a “game changer”, the little odds and ends and scraps that we and our allies have sent them has helped them hold off the world’s second strongest military which is their neighbor, and which has called in the North Korean Army to help them as the invasion heads into year 4, that is a lot of holding off for little Ukraine to have accomplished for so many years, and they are still at it.

[spintreebob]

“only use tomahawks...”

Clearly nonsense in English as is most of the article. Clearly in addition to tomahawks, drones and bombs and other types of missiles will be used against Russia in Russia.

[desertsolitaire]

Russia hits civilian energy infrastructure to freeze civilians in the coming Winter. No?

[SuperLuminal]

I smell a Trump deal being orchestrated...

He knows (or suspects) that the Ukes would target the Kremlin, as does Putzin...

Tomahawks = Tariffs...
The art of the deal...

[Scrambler Bob]

OK to use Tomahawks?

Ask Jane Fonda.

[lurk]

Tomahawks aren’t cheap and plentiful. Where is he planning to get a stockpile of them?

[TexasGator]

Ukrainian drones strike Bashneft oil refinery in Ufa
On October 11, 2025, Ukrainian drones belonging to the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) successfully struck the Bashneft-UNPZ oil refinery in Ufa, located in Russia’s Republic of Bashkortostan.

[TexasGator]

11Russia is going broke funding Putin’s two-week week war.

[nathanbedford]

Drones have effectively changed the game to the degree that Russian oil refinery production has been reduced by 20%, or by as much as 40% by some reports. Russian attempts to repair those facilities proceed apace with unknown results while Ukrainian attacks continue.

Because of its massive explosive power and great range, Ukraine's new missile, the Flamingo, promises to further change the game by inflicting even more damage on Russia's energy infrastructure. However, the Flamingo is slow and not very stealthy, so it is liable to be shot down by the Russians, as one recently was shut down.

To avoid these countermeasures and successfully deploy the Flamingo, the history of these strikes into Russia reveals that there is a synergy achieved by integrating short, medium and longer-range drones/missiles to take out Russian radar and countermeasures, thereby opening the way for deep penetrating Ukrainian missiles such as Flamingo to hit targets so damaging to Russia's capacity to wage war.

The Tomahawk, with its stealth profile would be devastating to medium range Russian targets but, when used in combination with short-range drones and long-range Flamingos, should continue to change the game by destroying Russian countermeasures.

Energy is Russia's Achilles' heel, and Tomahawks would significantly change the game even more if used in combination.

Winters are even colder in Russia.

[nathanbedford]

You have been reading yesterday's news.

[Owen]

Why would you call everything a “game changer”,

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Why? Because they were presented as such.

[Owen]

Spent a lot of time asking questions of AIs, plural, who can read Russian reports as well as MSM reports.

Given repair rates and the magnitude of damage at various oil facilities, the likely loss of refinery capacity is sub 10% on any given day. If it is 1 day after an attack, then somewhere else used that day doing repairs.

These are very small payload devices. A few pounds of explosives just don’t do much damage. They can produce columns of smoke and fire, but turning a valve stops that and those fires are not sufficient to melt the entire facility. A few pipes get replaced. And done. 1 week to 2 months.

There is also the disagreement between Russian reading AI and MSM reports. They report that a facility is hit. They look up the throughput of that facility measured in tonnes per year and they in very shallow mathematical fashion declare that that entire throughput is offline.

It need not be. A column of smoke and fire might be something like 15% of the total facility’s capability for the week or two it takes to replace the pipes.

Profile this, plus the repair rates, and the vast geographic expanse of refinery capacity out of range of the drones and it just is absurd to compute 20-40% loss of throughput.

I have also noticed an amusing item. Reportage is being tailored to the AI learning model. Those things I just noted get very loud in the text and repeated often. AIs will decide that is the answer to the question.

But ask more carefully. Things like . . . please profile loss of Russian refinery capacity, being careful to use sources confirming repair rates and damage magnitude confirmed by text in multiple languages and not part of the same wire service.

This will get emphasis on quotes from local governors. And nearly no emphasis on anything Ukraine or Russia’s MoDs have to say.