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In Ukraine, the agonizing effort to identify the war dead overwhelms forensic workers Some bodies are buried before they're identified due to a lack of space in morgues
CBC News ^ | 9/15/2025 | Briar Stewart

Posted on 09/15/2025 7:29:15 AM PDT by Nextrush

In a small reception room in a hospital in Dnipro, in south-central Ukraine, Viktoria Lants struggled to look at the computer screen as a forensic worker shuffled through photos of the remains catalogued in the overwhelmed morgue.

Some images were of badly damaged bodies, military clothing and a pocket knife.

When her family was led into a refrigerated unit to view one body, her eyes lingered on a wooden cross.

Lant's 31-year old son, Vladyslav Kharkov was given a similar one by his grandmother before he was sent to the front line over the summer.

The last time she spoke to him was on Aug. 19...

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: russia; ukrainewar
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They don't tell us how many people die in this Ukraine War when I was a kid they would tell us how many died in Vietnam every week.

It must be a heck of a lot.

Ukraine does not draft under 25-year-olds this war seems like euthanasia to me at times.

A lot of over 25-year-old men get sent to the "Russian Front" like they used to say on "Hogans Heroes".

1 posted on 09/15/2025 7:29:15 AM PDT by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush

There are those around here that would be thrilled if US soldiers were in the mix of unidentified and buried because it is somehow their job to die for Ukraine.


2 posted on 09/15/2025 7:47:12 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Nextrush

A lot of over 25-year-old men get sent to the “Russian Front” like they used to say on “Hogans Heroes”.
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A major change occurred, the Ukie Congress passed a law stating all 18-22 year olds can now leave the country., which they are by the tens of thousands.( you can pull up foreign video of the crossings)….you can also pull up non western video of the massive cemeteries that have been constructed, most notably the one the Ukrainian Rada established by law…it is to hold up to 2 million dead.

That said, the “ change” occurred when the Ukrainian SBU records were recently released ( hacked). By their own admission, 1.7 million Ukrainian men have been killed, KIA. Those numbers are KIA alone…adding MIA, WIA, deserters,diseased, disabled , and surrendered paint a very bleak picture.

For the doubting Thomas’s, post war analysis will clear up all the lies and omissions the West spewed.


3 posted on 09/15/2025 7:48:41 AM PDT by delta7
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To: dforest

“There are those around here that would be thrilled if US soldiers were in the mix of unidentified and buried because it is somehow their job to die for Ukraine.”

No cost is too high! All that matters are PROFITS!


4 posted on 09/15/2025 7:50:23 AM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: Nextrush

They can bring an end to this debacle whenever they want, so I don’t GAS about sob stories like this.


5 posted on 09/15/2025 7:51:58 AM PDT by Prince of Space (Trump 2024!)
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“ ➡️How is Ukraine preparing for mass burials?

On August 19th, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine approved a project to establish a National Military Memorial Cemetery in the Fastiv District of the Kiev Region. The project involves allocating two large plots of land measuring 258 and 8 hectares for the new military cemetery. By summer 2025, this cemetery is expected to have space for burying between 600,000 and 800,000 individuals, given its size. However, this cemetery is not the only location where preparations for large-scale burials are taking place.

➡️What is the mortality rate in Ukraine?

In 2021, Ukraine recorded its lowest birth rate in the past 10 years, totaling 271,984 individuals. During the same year, the mortality rate, including complications and illnesses caused by COVID-19, reached 714,000 individuals, with a population of 41 million. From 2022 to 2023, due to mass population outflows, losses in the Ukrainian army, and territorial losses, the country’s population decreased to 29 million individuals. The sharp rise in mortality, primarily among the male population, necessitated urgent expansion of existing cemeteries.

➡️Which cemeteries are expanding?

According to Military Chronicle, the cemetery in Cherkassy saw the largest increase in territory, expanding by 671,000 square meters, which can accommodate around 280,000 individuals for burial (based on a law allocating 2.4 meters for each grave). The cemetery in Krivoy Rog also significantly expanded, with an additional 373,000 square meters prepared for the burial of around 150,000 bodies over the year.

Other cemeteries in Ukraine are also being rapidly expanded: Molodizhne in Rovno (+25,000 sq. m), a new cemetery in Khmelnitsky (+3,000 sq. m), Sokolniky in Lvov (+3,000 sq. m), Svyshchovskoye cemetery in Kremenchug (+71,000 sq. m), Harazdha cemetery in Lutsk (+21,000 sq. m), Hodylovske cemetery in Chernovtsy (+63,000 sq. m), Matveyevske cemetery in Zaporozhye (+43,000 sq. m), and Krasnopolske cemetery in Dnepropetrovsk (+27,000 sq. m). The area of the Western Cemetery in Odessa (+13,000 sq. m) and the burials in Yatsevo in Chernigov (+25,000 sq. m) have also increased. Considering the territorial growth of all these cemeteries after expansion, an additional 430,000 to 450,000 bodies could be buried.

https://ukrreality.com/ukraines-largest-cemeteries-have-begun-expanding/


6 posted on 09/15/2025 7:54:14 AM PDT by delta7
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A chink in the imagery is seen, as CBC - Radio Canada reports this. It becomes likely that the Narrative™ and its singular theme schism into separating streams.
7 posted on 09/15/2025 7:55:35 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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This kind of a story can create sympathy for Ukraine.

Canada has a lot of Ukrainian immigrants so the CBC has an interest in covering the Ukraine War for sure.


8 posted on 09/15/2025 7:58:53 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER REV; NIEMOLLER)
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Canada has a lot of Ukrainian immigrants...

Florida has them too. Mostly males who have escaped almost certain death. Ironically, they are not only stupid but nasty and arrogant as well. I am speaking from having had first-hand dealings with them.

9 posted on 09/15/2025 8:06:31 AM PDT by 4Runner ("I gotta join a union just to get a job loafin'?" " Sure ya do!" --Abbott & Costello)
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To: Nextrush

This kind of a story can create sympathy for Ukraine.
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Do be aware, the future Ukrainian National Cemetery is up to Ukraine’s old, corrupted nature.

https://komersant.ua/en/novyy-tendernyy-skandal-holovnyy-viyskovyy-tsvyntar-ukrainy-za-1-8-mlrd-hrn-buduvatyme-novostvorena-kompaniia-3/

“ Another tender scandal has erupted in Ukraine. This time, the focus of attention is on the tender for the construction of the National Military Memorial Cemetery. It turned out that the project will be implemented by a newly created company that appeared literally the day after the tender was announced, “Komersant Ukrainian” reports, citing an investigation by Glavkom.

The National Military Memorial Cemetery has determined the winner of the tender for the construction of the first phase of the National Military Memorial Cemetery. It was the Building Yua consortium from Kyiv, which offered a price of UAH 1.75 billion, which is UAH 41.96 million less than the original price….”


10 posted on 09/15/2025 8:07:18 AM PDT by delta7
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--- "This kind of a story can create sympathy for Ukraine."

"...buried before they're identified due to a lack of space in morgues" suggests an inability to deal with the amount of the dead. Not quite a "sympathy" message. But apparently factual. Were is our American involvement in Vietnam -- my era in olive drab -- or those in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, "lack of space in morgues" would have ginned up shock, if not outrage.

11 posted on 09/15/2025 8:07:24 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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I’m surprised you stepped in that direction... The source then negates the reality of the war, the losses, and the fact that trying to identify chunks of what used to be human beings is difficult?


12 posted on 09/15/2025 8:20:27 AM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: Nextrush

Ever seen the pictures of Ukrainian cemeteries?


13 posted on 09/15/2025 8:21:49 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Nextrush

Where are the Western media embedded with Ukrainian troops? We are using Ukrainian government reports without questionabout casualties and how the war is going.


14 posted on 09/15/2025 8:25:36 AM PDT by kabar ( )
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To: Nextrush

Soldiers families get some kind of payment and IIRC, it was generous. The less they identify, the less they pay. Not exactly the most honest folks on the planet....as long as “Z” gets his.


15 posted on 09/15/2025 8:26:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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---- "I'm surprised you stepped in that direction... The source then negates the reality of the war, the losses, and the fact that trying to identify chunks of what used to be human beings is difficult?"

It's all difficult. Forensics on some of our own MIAs is still difficult decades later. The story tells of forensics workers being overwhelmed. It ends with, "The work will still be hell for another 10 years." Our experience teaches it will be a lot longer than that.

The author is resident in London, so this is not war reporting in the sense of "being there."

At the bottom of the page, a number of links are found. Among them the title "In Ukraine, wounded warriors scoff at notion that Trump can bring peace with Russia."

So narratives indeed seem to be shifting in many directions, and they are not all consonant, nor all in one direction.

16 posted on 09/15/2025 8:31:15 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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That said, the “ change” occurred when the Ukrainian SBU records were recently released ( hacked). By their own admission, 1.7 million Ukrainian men have been killed, KIA. Those numbers are KIA alone…

That 'hacked' BS, again?!?!

BTW, there is a big difference between 'released' and 'hacked'. The government would not and will not release any official reports on casualties. The number of casualties, fot either side, is always used for propaganda purposes, exactly like you just did and have done a number of times.

But, only propagandists would believe a 'hacked' report, and you are a propagandist.

Meanwhile, the official reports can't be accessed.

If you believe the hacked numbers, and even if they were to be generally believed, you can be sure that the numbers for the Russians would be 2 to 3 times bigger, and if true, the Russians would have suffered at least 3 million dead and about 5-6 million injured. And invasion force always suffers between 3-5 times as many casualties as the country being invaded.

So, following YOUR beliefs, there are other beliefs that put the Russian casualties at between 5-7 million.

Reports and estimates and 'guesstimates':

AI:

Official casualty figures are a closely guarded state secret in Ukraine, and the exact number of soldiers killed remains uncertain

. Estimates vary widely between Ukrainian statements, Western intelligence, and independent analysts. Here are some of the most prominent estimates for Ukrainian military deaths since the full-scale invasion began in February 2022:

Ukrainian government figures:

In February 2024, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated that 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed in action.

In December 2024, Zelenskyy updated the figure to 43,000 soldiers killed and 370,000 injured, though he noted the figures could not be independently verified.

Independent and intelligence estimates:

The Economist (November 2024): Estimated that between 60,000 and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed.

U.S. intelligence (August 2023): As cited by The New York Times, estimated that approximately 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died.

UALosses project (September 2025): The open-source intelligence project tracks named casualties. As of September 2025, its data suggested at least 77,403 Ukrainian soldiers killed, though it acknowledges the true number is likely higher.

Center for Strategic and International Studies (June 2025): Estimated 60,000 to 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed.

Why casualty figures are so hard to verify

Official secrecy: Both Ukraine and Russia consider their military casualty statistics to be state secrets, citing military strategy and national morale.

Missing in action: Many soldiers are officially listed as "missing" while the fate of their remains is unknown, further complicating accurate counts.

Conflicting estimates: The different figures reflect the difficulty of gathering precise information in an active war zone. Estimates rely on a variety of methods, including satellite imagery, communication intercepts, and open-source data.

17 posted on 09/15/2025 8:33:16 AM PDT by adorno ( )
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” 1.7 million Ukrainian men have been killed, KIA. Those numbers are KIA alone…adding MIA, WIA, deserters,diseased, disabled , and surrendered paint a very bleak picture.”

That is a ridiculous figure. As much as the Soviet Union lost from Barbarossa and Operation Blue. The usual KIA to wounded, MIA, POW is about one to ten ratio. That would give Ukraine over 15 million losses. The maximum a nation can mobilize its manpower is maybe 10%. Given Ukraine’s population in 2022 was around 41 million you’ve killed almost the entire eligible male population.


18 posted on 09/15/2025 8:37:47 AM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Thing is we have to be cautious about throwing the baby out with the bathwater just because of source. I see it happen far too often. 100% is thrown out because of source when 99% of it is factual reality and only 1% is misconstrued. This firewalling of all objectivity is one of the main reasons we are in this whole mess in the first place.


19 posted on 09/15/2025 8:43:19 AM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: rxh4n1
Given Ukraine’s population in 2022 was around 41 million you’ve killed almost the entire eligible male population.

Hey, stop it!

Who do you think you are to get in the way of the made-up propaganda spouted by the pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine FR members?

Meanwhile, the pro-Putin FR members are not following what is really happening in Ukraine, where the Russians are getting the butts kicked, and are dying by the thousands each week. And those same FR members are not likely to mention that the Russian oil fields are getting destroyed as we speak.

So, stop it. Let them continue to be in denial of the real facts in the war.
20 posted on 09/15/2025 8:45:25 AM PDT by adorno ( )
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