Ukraine won’t give up land that Russia doesn’t already occupy, Zelensky says after Putin’s demand

NY Post ^ | 8/17/2025 | Ronny Reyes

[j.havenfarm]

Wow. That’s a massive concession. It has to be this way. The Ukrainian position up to now is untenable if they can’t win the war, and they can’t

[dfwgator]

Ok, now we’re getting somewhere.

[desertsolitaire]

They are already negotiating it.

[Texas Eagle]

.... they can start where the front line is now,”

Whoaaaaa. Get your nomination speech ready, Hitlery.,

But you're still going to jail.

[dforest]

This is a breakthrough kinda.

[Sacajaweau]

Russia to “Z”...Oh okay....You win...We’ll make the line “as occupied”...

[tennmountainman]

Zelensky should quit whining and take ALL his land back from Ruzzia.

[McGruff]

I guess Trump is going to have to remind Zelensky he doesn't have the cards.

[fireman15]

Yes, it is a face-saving maneuver. While Z is being strung up by his ankles, he can claim that he negotiated a concession from the Russians... But, but, they didn't get to keep what they hadn't already taken. I am not sure that this argument would convince even our merry little band of die-hard Zeepers.

[SpaceBar]

It’s a start.

[Kazan]

Are you going to condemn your Zelensky for defying President Trump?

And, I heard the Daily Mail claimed it was Putin's body double that meant with Trump in Alaska. I can't believe you didn't post that here.

[Rennes Templar]

I had thought he wouldn’t give up anything and fight on until Russia gave it all back. This is a big concession.

[tsowellfan]

Wow. That’s a massive concession. It has to be this way. The Ukrainian position up to now is untenable if they can’t win the war, and they can’t

Neither side can win this war. I think it would be much easier for Ukraine to regain what they lost than for Russia to occupy all of Ukraine.

I would not be surprised if Russia moved down to as low as the number 4 largest military in the world after this one.

[Mariner]

“Kyiv will not give up land that Moscow troops aren’t occupying as part of any peace deal”

I’m betting they will.

[Mariner]

“Neither side can win this war.”

Then let’s let ‘em fight it out.

I’m so friggin tired of Z, Ukrainians, Ukrainian partisans and every pussy assed “leader” in the EU whining and whining some more.

That is, between blowing BS about all the military actions they are going to take...if the US would just back them up.

The whole lot of them are unworthy of statehood.

[j.havenfarm]

I agree with you. Even beyond the degradation of military capability has shown that the people will put up with being treated like whipped dogs for a long, long time, but when the backlash comes it’s a b***h. I can’t help but think a million casualties could result in destabilization of the regime

[Kazan]

Only an imbecile would believe those causality numbers are accurate.

Russia has had overwhelmingly advantage in missiles and ammo fired. So, it goes to follow, Ukraine's causalities are at least three times higher and no one even thinks Ukraine could have suffered three million causalities.

Mediazona, run by a Russian dissent in collaboration with pro-Ukrainian BBC, can only find a total of 122,510 Russian deaths in the entire war:

https://en.zona.media/article/2025/08/01/casualties_eng-trl

The recent body exchange rate with Ukraine was 1200 to 78 in Russia's favor.

[McGruff]

Zelesky’s demands are right back to square one. Trump should just cancel the meeting.

[j.havenfarm]

Let’s not forget the founder of the feast. I paraphrase President Biden: “if it was just a minor incursion, we’d have to see.”