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Ukraine must get ready for future in which there is no ceasefire with Russia
The Guardian ^ | Sun 13 Jul 2025 | Dan Sabbagh

Posted on 07/13/2025 2:59:17 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

While Donald Trump – and other western leaders – are taking their time to catch up with reality, it is obvious that Vladimir Putin has no apparent desire to halt the war in Ukraine. A realistic future military and diplomatic strategy for Kyiv has to accept that fact – and formulate a new approach.

The past six months have been dominated by the erroneous assumption that it would be possible for Trump to negotiate a ceasefire, even an armistice. That would be followed by the arrival of an Anglo-French led stabilisation force to secure the future of Ukraine. But Putin has shown no desire to stop attacking.

A fresh Russian ground offensive is emerging towards Velykyi Burluk, 50 miles east of Kharkiv, and for now is making some rare gains: three miles in 10 days. More significantly, the cynical bombing of Ukraine’s cities by missile and drone is only intensifying, straining Kyiv’s air defences and leading to more civilian casualties.

A record 728 Shahed drones and 13 missiles were launched on the night of 8 July and the next morning, many at Lutsk in the west, though the bombardment of 597 drones and 26 missiles on Friday night and Saturday morning showed no slackening of violent intent. It will be soon possible for Russia to attack with 1,000 drones in a night, Ukraine believes.

In a paper written last month, Andriy Zagorodnyuk, a former Ukrainian defence minister, said “an acceptable armistice may never formally arrive” and that Kyiv should formulate “a revised theory of victory” – which accepts that the Kremlin considers itself engaged in a forever war against its smaller neighbour.

The former minister describes the new approach as “strategic neutralisation”, a permanent and dynamic military effort to ensure that Russia’s forces cannot advance...

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: European Union; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: concerntroll; concerntrolling; eussr; fakenews; fourthreich; grauniad; proxywar; putinthewarpig; russiansuicide; russiantrollfarm; ukraine; vladtheimploder; welfarewar
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1 posted on 07/13/2025 2:59:17 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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The more assistance we give to Ukraine(it’s only money) our contractors get. Might be appropriate. Europe has a bloody history and a big chunk of Ukraine was once part of Poland. So Russia moves their people in their occupied eastern block territories. What to do with them? Vlad has his plan.


2 posted on 07/13/2025 3:13:28 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: MinorityRepublican

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/06/20/raytheons-production-lines-overheat-as-europe-lines-up-for-1000-patriot-missiles-and-ukraine-pleads-for-speed/


3 posted on 07/13/2025 3:13:34 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“Rheinmetall will hold a 60% stake in the joint venture, and the facilities will be capable of producing up to 10,000 missiles per year. Production is expected to begin between 2026 and 2027.”

“Special emphasis will be placed on long-range missiles”

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/05/19/europe-plans-to-produce-10000-missiles-annually-including-only-ones-that-can-stop-russias-ballistic-terror-in-ukraine/?swcfpc=1


4 posted on 07/13/2025 3:14:06 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“Ukraine now produces more artillery systems than all NATO countries combined”

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/04/17/expert-without-us-supplies-ukraines-patriot-systems-will-become-piles-of-metal-unable-to-stop-russian-ballistic-missiles/?swcfpc=1


5 posted on 07/13/2025 3:14:45 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MinorityRepublican

from Google using the term ‘ukrainian arms production’:

The Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com › world
May 18, 2025 — The value of weapons Ukraine’s defense industry can make has ballooned from $1 billion in 2022 to $35 billion over three years of war.


6 posted on 07/13/2025 3:16:31 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MinorityRepublican

Surrender is a viable option.


7 posted on 07/13/2025 3:17:10 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Europe has a bloody history and a big chunk of Ukraine was once part of Poland.

If Macron and Starmer are willing to walk the walk, they'll have to step up.

8 posted on 07/13/2025 3:17:42 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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Vlad, can I have a 30-day ceasefire (while the US, EU and Ukraine boost arms production and Ukraine trains about 50,000 more soldiers)?

Nyet, Don, nyet!


9 posted on 07/13/2025 3:20:02 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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The U.S. should stop borrowing from china, just to pay interest on it and give it stuff to ukraine

Time to look after the U.S., not some grifter

zelensky can borrow money from china himself


10 posted on 07/13/2025 3:20:33 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: MinorityRepublican

The tsar and his ministers had no plans for a ceasefire in 1917.

Neither did Kerensky.

They should have — and so should both sides in this war.


11 posted on 07/13/2025 3:20:38 PM PDT by x
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Galicia and Volhynia should return to Poland, or Austria if Poland doesn’t want them.

The Slovak and Hungarian territories should return to their rightful owners.


12 posted on 07/13/2025 3:22:07 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Brian Griffin

How long can Ukraine hold out without direct help from the west—to include boots on the ground? The big problem is manpower—or lack of same. How many years can Ukraine take the pounding? Six? Seven, Ten? The current advance of the Russians must be stopped—As long as they are winning they will not wish to talk peace.


13 posted on 07/13/2025 3:23:01 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (. War is Hell, War IS a Crime.)
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How long can Ukraine hold out without direct help from the west—to include boots on the ground? The big problem is manpower—or lack of same.

Trump is committed to backing Ukraine now that Putin refuses to agree to a ceasefire.

Ukraine depends on drones to compensate for their numerical inferiority in their Armed Forces.

14 posted on 07/13/2025 3:26:17 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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That would be followed by the arrival of an Anglo-French led stabilisation force to secure the future of Ukraine.

Russia has said for the last 25 years - no NATO for Ukraine and certainly no foreign troops on Ukraine territory. No one should be surprised.

Even the left-wing Guardian had gone neocon with their silly spin

15 posted on 07/13/2025 3:27:43 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ukrainians have known this since 2014. It is the US and European governments who have to wake up to the Russian ambition for a new USSR, and the new Cold War they are using to get it.


16 posted on 07/13/2025 3:28:35 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 🛇 CCCP 2.0 🛇)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Boots on the ground? Not one American boot or one more American $. NATO wants to spend international $ on our munitions for the Ukraine. Fine.
We should never have bought into to this conflict and if people weren’t being paid off we never would have been. The CIA and Neocons instigated this conflict and in a just world they would bear the consequences.


17 posted on 07/13/2025 3:38:16 PM PDT by JayGalt (For America!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

How long can Ukraine hold out without direct help from the west—to include boots on the ground? The big problem is manpower—or lack of same. How many years can Ukraine take the pounding? Six? Seven, Ten? The current advance of the Russians must be stopped—As long as they are winning they will not wish to talk peace.

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Without outside intervention the status quo will continue with Russia having the advantage.

Eventually people will tire of the war and the diplomats will take over.

Neither country has reached this point yet.


18 posted on 07/13/2025 3:40:28 PM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ukraine needs to accept whatever terms Russia is demanding and end this war. And the US needs to get the hell out of it.


19 posted on 07/13/2025 3:41:57 PM PDT by jimwatx
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Ukraine needs to accept whatever terms Russia is demanding and end this war.

Putin wants all of Ukraine.

20 posted on 07/13/2025 3:43:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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