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1 posted on 07/11/2025 9:28:40 AM PDT by RandFan
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If there were any way for both sides to lose I’d be in favor of that.

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2 posted on 07/11/2025 9:33:49 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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He said "Nato is going to reimburse the full cost" of the weapons sent on to Ukraine.

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Yeah, right.

4 posted on 07/11/2025 9:36:12 AM PDT by Starboard
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Trump is doing the right thing.


5 posted on 07/11/2025 9:36:43 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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‘How Putin’s new drone strategy is changing the war in Ukriaine’ [excerpt]

Russia has in recent weeks dramatically escalated its drone attacks on Ukraine, unleashing near-nightly swarms of unmanned aircraft that rain destruction on cities, power grids, and civilian infrastructure.

The intensified campaign – fueled by a surge in domestic production and support by allies – has plunged entire communities into fear, with residents jolted awake by air raid sirens and the ominous buzz of drones overhead.

A day earlier, Russia unleashed a deadly “massive combined strike” that lasted nearly ten hours, according to Volodymyr Zelensky. About 400 attack drones – nearly 200 of them the “Shahed” type – were used in the assault, which also included 18 missiles, some of them ballistic.

This attack followed Moscow’s largest single-day drone assault to date, which was carried out with 728 explosive drones and decoys on Wednesday, surpassing the previous record of 539 drones fired on Friday by 189, according to the Ukrainian air force.


6 posted on 07/11/2025 9:38:42 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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Z asked for 10 systems. They are getting 10 of a previously Biden-approved shipment of 30. As far as I know Trump has not authorized any more than that. It's like he wants to make a big positive event for the Ukrainian partisans...while not authorizing anything new, and cutting previous authorization by 67%. Has anyone heard of newly authorized munitions?
7 posted on 07/11/2025 9:39:19 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Patriot system today. -Zelenski


9 posted on 07/11/2025 9:40:54 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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M3 half-tracks with quad-50s would be a better use of federal tax dollars...
;^)
10 posted on 07/11/2025 9:41:33 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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Pissing in the wind.


11 posted on 07/11/2025 9:41:43 AM PDT by glorgau
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"Nato is going to reimburse the full cost" of the weapons sent on to Ukraine.

So NATO is coming to the defense of a non NATO nation that is in a war because of the possibility that it will become a NATO member.

13 posted on 07/11/2025 9:44:07 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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Designer Raytheon, Hughes, and RCA

Designed 1969

Manufacturer Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing

Domestic cost: About US$1.09 billion (FY 2022) for a battery; US$4 million for a single PAC-3 MSE missile

Export cost: About US$2.37–2.5 billion for a battery; US$6–10 million (FY 2018) for a single missile

Produced 1976–present

No. built
1,106 launchers in U.S. (483 were in service in 2010)

Over 250 launchers exported to 18 countries

Over 10,000 missiles manufactured

Specifications
Operational range 160 km (99 mi) (max)

Maximum speed
PAC-2 GEM+: 5,630 km/h (3,500 mph)
PAC-3: 6,170 km/h (3,830 mph)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot


14 posted on 07/11/2025 9:46:32 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Following is the process a PAC-3 firing battery uses to engage a single tactical ballistic missile with two PAC-3 missiles:

A missile is detected by the AN/MPQ-65 radar. The radar reviews the speed, altitude, behavior, and radar cross-section of the target. If this data lines up with the discrimination parameters set into the system, the missile is presented on the screen of the operator as a ballistic missile target.

In the AN/MSQ-104 Engagement Control Station, the TCO reviews the speed, altitude, and trajectory of the track and then authorizes engagement. Upon authorizing engagement, the TCO instructs his TCA to bring the system’s launchers into “operate” mode from “standby” mode. The engagement will take place automatically at the moment the computer defines the parameters that ensure the highest probability of kill.

The system computer determines which of the battery’s launchers have the highest probability of kill and selects them to fire. Two missiles are launched 4.2 seconds apart in a “ripple”.

The AN/MPQ-65 radar continues tracking the target and uploads intercept information to the PAC-3 missiles which are now outbound to intercept.

Upon reaching its terminal homing phase, the Ka band active radar seeker in the nose of the PAC-3 missile acquires the inbound ballistic missile. This radar selects the radar return most likely to be the warhead of the incoming missile and directs the interceptor towards it.

The ACMs (attitude control motors) of the PAC-3 missile fire to precisely align the missile on the interception trajectory.

The interceptor flies straight through the warhead of the inbound ballistic missile, detonating it and destroying the missile.

The second missile locates any debris which may be a warhead and attacks in a similar manner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot


18 posted on 07/11/2025 9:56:17 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Trump told NBC News that in a new deal, "we're going to be sending Patriots to Nato, and then Nato will distribute that", adding that Nato would pay for the weapons

Its Trump facing the reality of dealing with an imperialist Putin.

20 posted on 07/11/2025 10:05:34 AM PDT by tlozo ( "“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth,” Trump)
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Date____________Model_______#launched__# destroyed

2025-05-16 Supercam 2 2
2025-05-16 Unknown UAV 7 7
2025-05-17 Shahed-136/131 62 42
2025-05-18 Shahed-136/131 273 216
2025-05-18 –ú–æ–ª–Ω—ñ—è 4 4
2025-05-19 Recon. UAV 2 2
2025-05-19 Shahed-136/131 112 76
2025-05-19 –ú–æ–ª–Ω—ñ—è 3 3
2025-05-20 Shahed-136/131 108 93
2025-05-20 –ú–æ–ª–Ω—ñ—è 5 5
2025-05-23 Lancet 2 2
2025-05-21 Orlan-10 6 6
2025-05-21 Shahed-136/131 76 63
2025-05-21 Supercam 5 5
2025-05-21 ZALA 3 3
2025-05-21 –ú–æ–ª–Ω—ñ—è 2 2
2025-05-22 Iskander-M 1 0
2025-05-22 Reconn. UAV 5 5
2025-05-22 Shahed-136/131 128 112
2025-05-22 –ú–æ–ª–Ω—ñ—è 7 7
2025-05-23 Iskander-M 1 0
2025-05-23 Merlin-VR 1 1
2025-05-23 Orlan-10 2 2
2025-05-23 Shahed-136/131 175 150
2025-05-23 ZALA 1 1
2025-05-24 Iskander-M/KN-23 14 6
2025-05-24 Shahed-136/131 250 245
2025-05-25 Iskander-M/KN-23 9 0
2025-05-25 Orlan-10 1 1
2025-05-25 Shahed-136/131 298 266
2025-05-25 X-101/X-555 and Kalibr 55 45
2025-05-25 X-22 1 0
2025-05-25 X-59/X-69 4 2
2025-05-26 Shahed-136/131 355 288
2025-05-26 X-101/X-555 9 9

https://www.csis.org/programs/futures-lab/projects/russian-firepower-strike-tracker-analyzing-missile-attacks-ukraine

It appears to me that only the Shaheds, Iskandars and Xs are getting through Ukrainian defenses.


22 posted on 07/11/2025 10:16:28 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“Not my war” - President Trump


24 posted on 07/11/2025 10:21:03 AM PDT by McGruff
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“Germany was ready to pay for two of the Patriots and Norway for one”

Game Changer /s


29 posted on 07/11/2025 10:35:56 AM PDT by McGruff
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Putin needs to be killed


32 posted on 07/11/2025 10:43:08 AM PDT by Az Joe (Live free or die)
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…adding that Nato would pay for the weapons.

As long as we have the Patriots to spare and the other NATO countries are now ponying up their share, I’m OK with this.

33 posted on 07/11/2025 10:44:39 AM PDT by Allegra (Thank you for your attention to this matter. )
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https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/06/20/raytheons-production-lines-overheat-as-europe-lines-up-for-1000-patriot-missiles-and-ukraine-pleads-for-speed/

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/05/19/europe-plans-to-produce-10000-missiles-annually-including-only-ones-that-can-stop-russias-ballistic-terror-in-ukraine/?swcfpc=1

Vlad, can I have a 30-day ceasefire?

Nyet, Don, nyet!


36 posted on 07/11/2025 10:46:47 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“Ukraine now produces more artillery systems than all NATO countries combined”

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/04/17/expert-without-us-supplies-ukraines-patriot-systems-will-become-piles-of-metal-unable-to-stop-russian-ballistic-missiles/?swcfpc=1


38 posted on 07/11/2025 10:53:14 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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I’d wait for the check to clear.


43 posted on 07/11/2025 11:42:20 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think (nothing witty comes to mind at the moment.)
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