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Posted on 05/27/2025 7:08:17 AM PDT by marktwain
Laws banning the carry or possession of weapons in government buildings are a very late addition to the United States of America. At the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, there were only three places where the possession and carry of weapons were banned with some regularity. Those were: Court rooms while court was in session; legislative chambers where governmental bodies were involved in their legislative duties; and polling places on election day. There were no bans on carrying or possessing weapons in most public buildings, most of the time. From the Supreme Court Bruen opinion, bold added p. 27:
Although the historical record yields relatively few 18th- and 19th century “sensitive places” where weapons were altogether prohibited—e.g., legislative assemblies, polling places, and courthouses—we are also aware of no disputes regarding the lawfulness of such prohibitions.
This was made clear in the United States v. Ayala case arguments. The case is about whether a federal law banning the possession and/or carrying of weapons in post offices violates the rights protected by the Second Amendment. The district court found the post office ban to be unconstitutional. The case is being appealed.
The documents in the Ayala case reveal interesting information. As late as the 1920s, the post office armed mail clerks. From USA v. Ayala Document 57:
P. 11 In fact, when mail train robberies became a growing threat in the early twentieth century, the Postmaster General armed railway mail clerks with “government-issued pistols” from World War I. USPS, AN AMERICAN HISTORY at 23, 107.
Pilots flying air mail were required to carry pistols from 1922 until shortly after WWII.
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We need to be able to carry when we pick up our mail.
The US government began leasing / renting properties years ago. Most of your federal buildings today are not owned by the federal government.
How do they enforce a ban on guns when they don’t even own the property?
With federal agents and police.
Condition of signed lease?
Naah. much earlier. Some uppity blacks showed up on courtroom steps in response to some white crackers (AKA CaCaLand Democrats) saying nasty things. So, within a day the bans were passed into law — so, CaCaLand no longer has open carry. And, permitted concealed carry is impossible unless you are a celebrity or politico. Or, you carry large bags of cash.
I don’t understand the ramifications.
I was wondering if that makes a difference?
If the federal offices are in Texas, and it’s leased / rented, wouldn’t it be Texas laws that apply?
I’m not making a statement, I’m asking a question. Or does it depend on the agreement? I know little about real estate or the law as it applies here.
Naah. much earlier. Some uppity blacks showed up on courtroom steps in response to some white crackers (AKA CaCaLand Democrats) saying nasty things.
There were federal regulations earlier, but they were not law.
Except for the Department of Peace where employees were fully armed, according to DOGE oral report.
I don’t understand the ramifications.
I was wondering if that makes a difference?
If the federal offices are in Texas, and it’s leased / rented, wouldn’t it be Texas laws that apply?
Real Estate leased/rented by the Federal government comes under federal law, as it is currently interpreted.
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