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The Decivilizing of America
American Greatness ^ | 12 May, 2025 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/12/2025 5:25:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber

From secure borders to functioning cities, America is shedding the hard-won pillars of civilization—by choice, not chance—in a sweeping, top-down descent into disorder.

Secure borders and stationary populations were considered the mark of emerging civilization by classical historians. In contrast to nomadism and constant strife over disputed territory, peoples who had clearly defined and protected borders ascended to statehood, maintained a distinct culture, and achieved greater prosperity and security.

In contrast, what we suffered from 2021 to 2025 was unprecedented. It was an intentional administration effort to de-civilize the nation by destroying its borders—as if to return to the premodern era, when there were no clearly defined or secure borders, and nomadic peoples migrated as they pleased.

Stranger still, illegal aliens were at times given precedence over citizens—as immigration law was simply discarded.

Without IDs, illegal aliens boarded U.S. flights, while the government ordered citizens to obtain more secure “real” IDs.

Some 8,500 veteran soldiers were drummed out of the military for refusing the experimental mRNA vaccinations. Yet 10 million simply walked across the southern border into America, without a care from the Biden administration whether they were vaccinated, ill, or had criminal records.

Any American citizen pulled over for speeding with an invalid driver’s license, while trafficking eight illegal aliens without identification, would be jailed and charged with felony counts. Not Abrego Garcia—the violent spousal abuser, M-13 gang-member, and previously deported illegal alien. He was neither arrested nor even cited by the officers who pulled him over.

One of the great hallmarks of Roman civilization and subsequent Western civilization was its ability to create large cities by importing clean water, removing waste through sewers, and collecting garbage from the streets. Even in the age before microbiology, ancient and premodern city planners knew the connection between cleanliness and epidemics

(Excerpt) Read more at amgreatness.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: civilization; collapse; disorder; ruleoflaw; vdh; victordavishanson

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1 posted on 05/12/2025 5:25:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber
Without IDs, illegal aliens boarded U.S. flights, while the government ordered citizens to obtain more secure “real” IDs.

What's up with that?

2 posted on 05/12/2025 5:26:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: texas booster

VDH ping


3 posted on 05/12/2025 5:30:23 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

“If any of the current violent pro-Hamas and anti-Semitic campus protests were instead directed at reducing abortion, ensuring that biological men do not compete in women’s sports, or banning racial preferences, the protestors would have long ago been arrested, expelled, or deported.”

In California, before the Rodney King crap, the police were literally BREAKING THE BONES of the abortion protesters they arrested. And nothing at all was done about it.


4 posted on 05/12/2025 5:36:28 AM PDT by BobL
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To: MtnClimber

His talk about tribalism is important.

Whether we like it or not all but one class of people in America are tribal - the class of people with LEAST tribalist traits - White men. All other groups almost always put the tribe ahead of the overall society...which was why they were initially kept out of government. Sadly, it’s probably too late now to fix it.


5 posted on 05/12/2025 5:39:52 AM PDT by BobL
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To: MtnClimber
[Stranger still, illegal aliens were at times given precedence over citizens—as immigration law was simply discarded.]

All according to plan.



6 posted on 05/12/2025 5:44:24 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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That Old Serpent called
the Devil and Satan is
still deceiving the world

The Lord rebuke him (Jude 9)


Democrats (and others all over the world) are busy serving their "god"

Satan IS the "god of this world" - (2nd Corinthians 4:3-4)

(temporarily - but from the Garden of Eden to Armageddon and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ)





The "space alien" is a demon.

The guy up front looks like he came from "They Live".

Just joking. I think...

7 posted on 05/12/2025 5:47:49 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: MtnClimber

Interesting article. Thanks for posting. Identify the uncivilized individuals.


8 posted on 05/12/2025 5:50:58 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: MtnClimber
"Without IDs, illegal aliens boarded U.S. flights, while the government ordered citizens to obtain more secure “real” IDs."

What's up with that?

It was an in-your-face intentional anti-MAGA effort using your tax dollars. It was an effort that was/is given a standing ovation by anti-MAGA organizations around the world who no doubt took advantage of the free ride.

9 posted on 05/12/2025 6:03:44 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Plague, war, famine, and societal collapse have all been used in the Left's anti-God agenda.)
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To: MtnClimber

BTTT


10 posted on 05/12/2025 6:07:47 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: MtnClimber
"America is shedding the hard-won pillars of civilization—by choice, not chance—in a sweeping, top-down descent into disorder."

Yes. The word for it is decadence.

It is the decadence of Western Civilization in America.

The decay erupted like a bubo as the counter-culture movement of the 1960's. It has since infected millions of people.

Can decadence be reversed once it has infected a nation and restore that nation to ascendancy? Donald Trump believes that it can be. In fact, so convinced was he that he risked everything--a considerable amount in his case--to save his beloved USA from the decadence and its inexorable destruction.

The MAGA movement is the anti-decadence movement.

The USA is locked in a Manichaean struggle between the forces of decadence and the forces of ascendancy, between the forces of evil and the forces of good. Should the forces of decadence and evil prevail, America will be destroyed.

Trump and MAGA champion ascendancy.

The outcome will be determined by the American People.

11 posted on 05/12/2025 6:22:13 AM PDT by Savage Beast (There's a Light over the Whole World. I just want everybody to be happy, healthy and well. --DJT)
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To: MtnClimber

“ clueless that natural man, without the bridles of civilization, is a very dangerous beast, as we so often and lamentably see today.”

Women allow this. They are uncivilized and allow and promote me to be ungentlemanly and uncivilized

It all comes down to artificial birth control. Which I don’t see anyone getting rid of

But that’s what it is.

As depicted and predicted in Humana vitae


12 posted on 05/12/2025 6:30:12 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: stanne
It all comes down to artificial birth control. Which I don’t see anyone getting rid of

Not quite, but you and I probably think a lot alike. Dig a little deeper into the root cause. You can see it in Romans 1:18-32. It begins with doubting God doesn't exist, even though it's obvious that He does (v. 18-23). That's the battle we need to win. That's the root cause of our problems. When our culture reaches that point of thinking it's smart to say God doesn't exist, He removes part of His protecting hand over our sin nature and we get into sexual immorality (vs. 24-25). The modern sexual revolution is originated in doubting God's existence. And if we still don't get the picture, Got lets our sin nature gets worse and it becomes normal in culture to get into homo mess (vs. 26-27). That's where we are now and probably already one foot into even the next phase.

Because if the homo mess in our culture isn't enough to learn us dern us to bring us back to Him, God lets us get even more depraved (vs 28-32).

Respectfully, fellow FReeper, I think we don't need to win the culture battle so much with sexual immorality as we do with atheism and agnosticism or any worship of the creation instead of the Creator. Us losing that battle is the origin of the snowball effect. The sexual immorality itself is a symptom more than a cause.

13 posted on 05/12/2025 6:51:14 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MtnClimber

And don’t forget that requiring photo identification is racist. Minorities are incapable of procuring photo identification. /s


14 posted on 05/12/2025 6:53:33 AM PDT by Spok (We are prisoners of our nature.)
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To: Savage Beast

Unemployment is a curse. If there were more jobs, easier to obtain, things would be a lot better.


15 posted on 05/12/2025 7:07:23 AM PDT by yldstrk (Nothing like the truth)
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To: Tell It Right

I don’t debate anyone on this subject who hasn’t gone over Humanae Vitae

Waste of effort


16 posted on 05/12/2025 7:15:36 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: stanne

“The woman Thou gavest me cause me to sin.” Oldest excuse in the book. Literally.


17 posted on 05/12/2025 7:39:53 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: esquirette

You think she didn’t have anything to do with it?


18 posted on 05/12/2025 7:46:42 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: stanne
Okay, fine. I just read Humanae Vitae. I agree with his statement that we're not to be subject to the scientists promoting the population explosion ides of his time. And there may be something to his idea that birth control will provide a slippery slope into increased infidelity.

Yet I failed to see how Paul VI's birth control document somehow overwrites the Apostle Paul's Romans 1 teaching about the decline of civilization beginning with denying the existence of God. In fact, we have historical basis for this being true. Look at the 18th century rise in atheism that was followed by the 18th century sexual revolution (more like devolving to me than revolution LOL). This was before birth control pills, IUD's and even condoms. Later in the 20th century we had the Scopes Monkey trials and the celebration of Darwin's Origin of Species centennial in 1959, followed of course by the sexual revolution. And, of course, look at the sexual revolution that the Greco-Roman culture had experienced in Paul's day when he wrote Romans.

The common factor in all of these historical sexual devolving of culture was the moving away from belief in God. The Apostle Paul knew what he was talking about (obviously). That's why his answer wasn't to tell married couples to avoid condoms and the pill. His solution was in Romans 1:16-17 in being unashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for in the Gospel, the righteousness of God is revealed.

19 posted on 05/12/2025 8:11:00 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right

Of course it’s the denial of God. It’s also the denial of the enemy’s existence

People here on this anti Catholic site are as difficult to reason with as TDS people. For the same reason. Blinding hate

The pope here and his vast array of coauthors all of whom were theologians with serious educations, are taking from Paul

Here’s a hint- he used the name Paul

The scourge currently, the embodiment of denying God is to play God with procreation


20 posted on 05/12/2025 8:46:15 AM PDT by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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