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Is Civil War Coming to Europe?
European Conservative ^ | 4/14/25 | Rob Dreher

Posted on 04/15/2025 11:10:19 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970

Two months ago, the English podcast host Louise Perry hosted David Betz, a professor at King’s College, London, and an expert in civil wars. The topic? “The Coming British Civil War.” Betz argues that the United Kingdom now has all the traditional hallmarks of a society on the verge of violent civil conflict. He mentions the collapse of faith in British institutions, the two-tier justice system, Islamic radicalization, and the polarization wrought by official multiculturalism, among other factors.

The YouTube version of the interview has had nearly 200,000 views—so many that Telegraph columnist Tim Stanley noticed, writing in his April 3 column that events both in Britain and on the European continent (he cites a French court banning Marine Le Pen from running for the presidency) are driving things to a reckoning.

Writes Stanley:

Every conspiracy theory is confirmed, and without a democratic outlet for anger—seeing their aspirations limited and being too poor to emigrate—where else will a militant faction of angry whites go but to violence?

Nearly every educated English person I know under the age of forty is seeking to emigrate, having lost hope that their country has the wherewithal to pull out of its cultural and economic crisis. In Oxford recently, an American student told me, “If the ruling class here openly hated the British people, it’s hard to know what they would be doing differently.”

(Excerpt) Read more at europeanconservative.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; European Union; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: civilwar; eu; europe; uprising
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I'm not so convinced of the inevitability of civil war as this article might suggest. I'd say continued creeping, grinding repression without major conflict is at least as likely.

True, every day now we see a train of abuses and outrages that are not due to accident or fumbling by the ruling elites but are rather the outcome of deliberate policy. This creates a steady accumulation of fuel. But fire also takes a spark, with people feeling desperate enough to kill and die rather than remain in a political process. What is a big enough spark?

Also consider that Europe is a continent of aged people conditioned to see government as necessary for their security and support. The youth such as they exist are few in number or largely foreign and thus see the state as critical to survival in the event of an uprising. Will mobs of pensioners and beaten-down middle-aged commoners really take up pitchforks against all that they've known?

1 posted on 04/15/2025 11:10:19 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Nah, they don’t have guns!


2 posted on 04/15/2025 11:15:21 AM PDT by old school
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To: EnderWiggin1970

No. The media is just trying to rile stuff up.


3 posted on 04/15/2025 11:15:35 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Using what? I think the most dangerous object a British citizen is allowed to own now is a plastic spoon.


4 posted on 04/15/2025 11:16:02 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: EnderWiggin1970

” all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

Right there in the Declaration of Independence.
The Brits will not launch a civil war. They are too deeply immersed in their highly stratified class system. And will wait for a king or some such to “save them”.


5 posted on 04/15/2025 11:17:25 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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And the invaders have Conex boxes of AKs salted away. Guaranteed.


6 posted on 04/15/2025 11:18:12 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Not sure what form a civil war would take as the populace has been wisely disarmed by their opposition.

Perhaps a wealthy, capable patriot will stand up to save their countries as America has been blessed to have in President Trump and Elon Musk.

Someone who understands the existing order must be destroyed and replaced with something better.


7 posted on 04/15/2025 11:19:08 AM PDT by TheDon (Remember the J6 political prisoners! Remember Ashli Babbitt!)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

the people will be oppressed by their leaders by unchecked immigration until the immigrated turns on those leaders and takes over.


8 posted on 04/15/2025 11:19:09 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: EnderWiggin1970
Not saying it will happen, but it's not like it wasn't difficult to imagine, even if used as a backdrop for plots.


9 posted on 04/15/2025 11:19:37 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Western Civilization, in general, is collapsing.


10 posted on 04/15/2025 11:20:03 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: DesertRhino

Waiting for a new Oliver Cromwell to show up.


11 posted on 04/15/2025 11:21:05 AM PDT by TheDon (Remember the J6 political prisoners! Remember Ashli Babbitt!)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

After the last Civil War in England, King Charles lost his head. His current namesake better keep a low profile.


12 posted on 04/15/2025 11:22:08 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: teeman8r

That’s looking like the outcome sad to say.


13 posted on 04/15/2025 11:22:30 AM PDT by TheDon (Remember the J6 political prisoners! Remember Ashli Babbitt!)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

“Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never will be slaves.”

Now the song is only instrumental on BBC, no lyrics.

France is gone and at most they will separate internally to a large degree.
Germany is a joke today. Socialists with guilty consciences, and their vaunted engineering is down the toilet.
The Scandinavians? Yeah sure.

And all of those countries are run by females.


14 posted on 04/15/2025 11:23:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: old school

Exactly, the Brits are going to have a hard time getting their country back with sticks and protest signs. They are at the “shoot their way out” point but you cannot do that without guns. This is why there is a 2nd A.


15 posted on 04/15/2025 11:27:21 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: old school
Nah, they don’t have guns!

But they have bats, beer bottles, belts and bricks. They'll fight medieval style! It'll all be on YouTube for the world to watch.

16 posted on 04/15/2025 11:29:07 AM PDT by roadcat ( )
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To: old school

Neither did Northern Ireland, yet there was a nasty civil type of war that was waged for years.

Here’s the spark that I see happening that could turn into a civil war in the UK, not a civil war like the civil war in the US with two separate armies.

I see a tit for tat type of war like in Northern Ireland, some group of white patriots in the UK bombs a Mosque killing a number of Muslims, the Government goes insane by cracking down on anything white related, meanwhile the Muslims go on a rampage attacking anything white, wash and repeat this over and over until daily attacks become common.


17 posted on 04/15/2025 11:29:16 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: old school

There could be another Emergency American Arms to Britain.


18 posted on 04/15/2025 11:30:46 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970
...Prof. Betz says that “normalcy bias” is especially strong in Britain, which, unlike other European countries, has been relatively peaceful. Today, though, there is no reason to believe that the past predicts the future.

Depends on which past you're looking at. The English had a rather vigorous civil war in the 17th century. Cost a king whose name was...Charles...his head.

The problem is that electoral remedies for the current situation have been nullified by a political system that produces candidates who spout differences but act in favor of the same globalist, Great Replacement theology. Commentators from Locke to Marx have pointed out the escape-valve properties of electoral choice and now that valve has been wired shut.

19 posted on 04/15/2025 11:32:34 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: old school
”Nah, they don’t have guns!”

The Rwandans didn’t let a little thing like that hold them back.

20 posted on 04/15/2025 11:33:02 AM PDT by Flag_This (They're lying.)
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