Posted on 03/23/2025 8:02:06 AM PDT by karpov
KYIV, Ukraine—It was a scorching summer day in 2014 when Artem Kravchenko and hundreds of other Ukrainian soldiers put their trust in a Russian promise not to open fire and retreated in a column from the surrounded city of Ilovaisk.
By the end of the day, Kravchenko found himself lying in a ditch surrounded by dead comrades after Russian forces shot up the column. With three Russian bullets in his body, he had to drink his own urine to survive.
“They started shooting from the right, so we went to the left and met another ambush there,” said Kravchenko, who was 23 years old at the time. “They were just shooting up everything from all sides.”
Experiences like these during the dozens of cease-fires that have come and gone in Russia’s 11-year war against this country are why many Ukrainians have little faith in the latest efforts, spearheaded by President Trump, to halt fighting.
The Russians “gave us a clear signal that they can’t be trusted,” said Taras Samchuk, who also escaped Ilovaisk that day and is now a reserve medical officer.
In the past, Russian President Vladimir Putin has used any pause as a pit stop on the way toward his ultimate goal: taking control of Ukraine. During earlier cease-fires, Moscow reinforced Russian paramilitaries, sought to extract political concessions from Ukraine and the West, or simply continued shooting and killing Ukrainians while Kyiv’s army was held back by Western calls for restraint.
U.S. officials will meet separately in Saudi Arabia on Monday with Russian and Ukrainian teams to discuss the technical details of a partial cease-fire agreed in calls with Trump. Both sides said they were prepared to halt attacks on each other’s energy infrastructure.
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When you shake hands with a Ukrainian make certain he didn’t steal any of your fingers.
There are now lots of dead Russians.
Russia will take a peace deal that it finds acceptable.
The issue of territory transfer should not be in the deal as Ukraine will not sign over territory.
The Russians aren’t going to agree to a short-term deal as Trump and Hegseth will rebuild the US arms industry and the EU will rebuild their arms industry.
This almost sounds like a war was going on since the Maidan Coup of 2014.
This couldn't be, could it?
WSJ told us 2022 was a completely unprovoked invasion.
Yawn. History didn’t start in 2014. You know that. No amount of Kremlin Bolshevik gaslighting changes the historical facts at hand.
There was an American from New Jersey who died fighting the invading Russian army at Ilovaisk. His name was Mark Paslawsky.
I was told by Biden, Nuland, Zeepers, and even folks like lodi90 it was an "unprovoked invasion" Ukraine in 2022.
They wouldn't lie, would they?
WHERE is the truth, my FRiend?
Then Russia will make the deal with Poland, Romania, Hungary and yes there will be territories signed over.
They may not want to but this is a war they cannot win. Cut the losses and move on.
Ukraine agreed to be a neutral country toward Russia in its Constitution. The Maiden coup illegally installed a government hostile to Moscow and the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine.
NATO promised no eastward expansion of NATO in the early 1990s and expanded to the Russian border.
The Ukrainians signed and reneged on the Minsk Accords, which gave Donetsk and Lugansk more autonomy, and blatantly broke the deal and continue its war on both oblasts.
Ukraine, at the urging of Boris Johnson, backed out of a deal in Turkey three years ago that would have ended the war.
Russia is not communist nation anymore.
Those with Russian Derangement Syndrome, apparently, lack the mental capacity to grasp that.
And if we didn’t overthrow the government of Ukraine there wouldn’t have been any dead.
Ukrainians Don’t Trust Russia
“When you shake hands with a Ukrainian make certain he didn’t steal any of your fingers.”
That is from delta7, a Putin moutpiece. He often makes things up to fill out his propaganda.
The old saying is not about Ukraine or fingers. It referred to rings.
You can lose rings but one can’t steal fingers.
I remember when Brian Griffin was prophesying that Ukraine would conquer Moscow. I have had a vision that propaganda prophet Brian Griffin is going to be wrong yet again as Russia makes demands and gets all Ukrainian territory it demands for peace.
And Russia doesn’t trust Ukraine or NATO, with damn good reason…
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1894833586387501070.html
More meaningless words from people not involved.
I’ve read about several of the cease-fire agreements. Both sides are guilty of deliberate and accidental breaking of the agreements. Neither side has reason to trust the other, but someone’s going to have to try.
Organs are another matter however. This January the Ukrainian Parliament had to pass a law preventing the the organ harvesting of their own war casualties... pretty sick stuff.
Ukraine parliament bans organ harvesting from war casualties for transplantation
Daniela Pulido | Facultad de Derecho PUCP, PE
JANUARY 10, 2025 07:28:51 PM
https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/01/ukraine-parliament-bans-organ-donation-from-war-casualties/
The Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) passed legislation on Thursday prohibiting organ harvesting from military and civilian casualties of Russia's invasion. The measure, Law No. 9558 “On Amendments to Certain Laws of Ukraine on Improving the Organization of Medical Care Using Transplantation,” received broad support, with 254 of 313 lawmakers voting in favor.
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