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A Libertarian Response to President Donald Trump’s Address to Congress
Third Party Watch ^ | March 5, 2025 | George Phillies

Posted on 03/06/2025 5:02:07 AM PST by Angelino97

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1 posted on 03/06/2025 5:02:07 AM PST by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

a ships commander can only direct the crew to carry out orders to direct the ship where the commander intends. who knew there were so many mutineers below deck?


2 posted on 03/06/2025 5:08:12 AM PST by Qwapisking ("The left will rue the day they cheated Trump out of the 2020 election forever" L.Star )
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To: Angelino97

I started paying attention to Libertarians back in the 1970s. I realized pretty early on that their emphasis is on being socially progressive. They are Leftists and they prefer when Democrats are elected. They do not like Republicans. They hate Conservatives. Now someone will pipe up and say “I’m a Libertarian and I’m not like that!” Congratulations: you are 1% of the Libertarians in the US


3 posted on 03/06/2025 5:12:26 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Angelino97

bump for later


4 posted on 03/06/2025 5:12:50 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Most libertarians are not libertarian, as the word is defined, just as most liberals are not liberals, as the word is defined.

They want to do what they want, but they believe society should support them. They don’t lend their philosophy to other members of society to allow them to do what they want.


5 posted on 03/06/2025 5:15:15 AM PST by Jonty30 (I have invented blackened salmon salad by baking it in the oven for too long. )
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To: Angelino97

Non-player ‘party’ attempting to provide some kind of ‘third-way’ with a pretend view of the actual situation.

This statement is like a movie review, when the production team has just begun building the sets.

Congress is the problem, and their uniparty crimes and moral turpitudes must be exposed and punished by the electorate (if possible) in order to get some semblance of functionality back in place.


6 posted on 03/06/2025 5:15:25 AM PST by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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Whackos with no real grounding, why won’t they take a stand against pedophilia rather that refusing to when the issue is raised?

“”The fracas started with Mary J. Ruwart, the candidate with perhaps the deepest, purest libertarian roots (her rejection of government is so complete that some party moderates have begun warning of the anarchical dangers of “Ruwarchy”). In April, a rival called her out for her thoughts in a 1999 book called Short Answers to the Tough Questions. “Children who willingly participate in sexual acts have the right to make that decision as well, even if it’s distasteful to us personally,” Ruwart wrote. “When we outlaw child pornography, the prices paid for child performers rise, increasing the incentives for parents to use children against their will.”


7 posted on 03/06/2025 5:19:24 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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Can we now officially recognize at FR that the Libertarian PARTY is nothing more than a Democrat false-flag operation?

* They lump executive orders rescending executive legislating together with the original executive legislation they rescind.

* They describe the current administration as “The bridge has been commandeered by individuals who are either incompetent, insane, or intentionally steering toward disaster.”

* They simultaneously oppose legislation to reduce immigration and effectively oppose illegal immigration, yet they condemn Pres. Trump for not YET passing more legislation to reduce illegal immigration.

* By saying, “the federal government should not be wielding power over cultural battles at all,” what they really mean is complete, abject surrender.


8 posted on 03/06/2025 5:22:54 AM PST by dangus
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given their last presidential candidate

it is safe to say the left has co-opted the libertarian party


9 posted on 03/06/2025 5:29:51 AM PST by joshua c
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The libertarian party is an unflattering caricature of libertarian principles and always has been. It’s like they are intentionally undermining their own principles.

Which is why you will never find a serious libertarian in that party.


10 posted on 03/06/2025 5:33:11 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Angelino97
This is just another example of executive overreach, where laws are no longer written by Congress but dictated by a single individual.

When you have a Congress that does nothing but throw stones at the other side, someone has to put on the Big Boy pants and take charge. That's what Trump has done. Congress has abdicated its oversight on agencies who in turn produce new regulations which require more people to enforce. This unchecked power impinges on the economy's ability to grow and create jobs. Does the EPA need 16,000+ employees? Hint: No, and if they were under scrutiny by Congress as they should be, half the new regulations they created would never have seen the light of day.

To me, Trump's doing exactly what I voted for and I'd much rather have him at the helm that a bunch gutless wonders whose only concern is getting re-elected.

11 posted on 03/06/2025 5:38:20 AM PST by econjack
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Omit the principle espoused by hard-core, "ultra" Libertarians regarding national borders (that they namely should be viewed merely as administrative lines on the map, much like postal zones, and otherwise allow unchecked immigration), together with all the subsidiary / resultant nonsense derived from that one errant premise, and the Libertarian platform could be a workable foundation

With it, however, the whole Libertarian platform reveals itself as utopian.

(Am not sure how the Libertarians now stand on abortion; I suspect that they are in favor of it, which of course I must also disavow.)

Regards,

12 posted on 03/06/2025 5:39:09 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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This entire screed is essentially just one, big "Demand for Perfection" fallacy.

Actually, it's worse, because the author largely agrees that President Trump is doing the right thing - while the author simultaneously decries that it ever became necessary to do so in the first place (for which Trump deserves no blame).

Regards,

13 posted on 03/06/2025 5:42:23 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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The person who penned the top post was perfect except for the opening 4 words:

Actually not bad statement, except for “tariffs do not punish foreign nations.” I suggest the Chair read Rothbard’s “Power and Market” for more on this topic. Common sense shows that if foreign nations were not punished, they would have no reason to retaliate with tariffs of their own. The simple truth is that tariffs hurt (and help) a myriad of producers, consumers, and investors in both the exporting and importing nations.

As for “taking back the ship'” the LP has been pissing into that wind for 53 years now and hasn’t changed the ship’s course very much at all.

I personally disagree with the first 4 words, but the rest of the statement is spot on, and I agree totally with that.

It's not a particularly good statement at all. For it places the blame on Trump for the direction. But the previous ship's captain has been the one who went into the dangerous waters like a bull in a China shop, and Trump is trying to navigate the mess left, and what a mess it is.

The author of this piece, would only continue to proceed as the previous captain had navigated the ship, instead of making a radical course change.

14 posted on 03/06/2025 5:55:02 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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Open borders and the end of the Border Patrol is just a normal, routine part of the party platform, it isn’t for “ultras”, it is the same for abortion, zero restrictions or interference of any sort.


15 posted on 03/06/2025 5:55:54 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ClearCase_guy

Jousting with windmills is the Libertarian motto. 😏


16 posted on 03/06/2025 6:14:15 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: dangus

“By saying, “the federal government should not be wielding power over cultural battles at all,” what they really mean is complete, abject surrender.”

That is the reason why there has never been nor will there ever be a libertarian country. They don’t have a sufficient set of values (colture) to unify around.

It is multiculturalism run amok.


17 posted on 03/06/2025 6:33:36 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you i9s how they. control you. )
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To: Angelino97

I don’t know if I will be proven wrong about this in 10 or 20 years, but I get the impression that the LP will be morphing into something in a struggle to find an identity.

With everyone from all spectrums mocking the libertarians they will need to find an identity, it doesn’t mean changing any platform positions but they will need some new market positioning to try and keep themselves appearing cool and hip to the unthinking oddballs and freaks they attract.


18 posted on 03/06/2025 6:34:34 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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She sounds nice.


19 posted on 03/06/2025 7:27:38 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I started paying attention to Libertarians back in the 1970s. I realized pretty early on that their emphasis is on being socially progressive. They are Leftists and they prefer when Democrats are elected. They do not like Republicans. They hate Conservatives. Now someone will pipe up and say “I’m a Libertarian and I’m not like that!” Congratulations: you are 1% of the Libertarians in the US

Libertarians are mostly about drugs and prostitution. The desire to legalize drugs probably accounts for 90% of them. They all hate being talked to about morality. They think the world can exist without a universal moral standard. They think people just automatically know right from wrong.

They are naive and silly.

20 posted on 03/06/2025 9:53:10 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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