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Vance says US ‘working on’ Ukraine plan ‘with the Russians’ after Trump cuts defense aid to Kyiv
The Independent via Yahoo ^ | March 3rd, 2025 | Andrew Feinberg

Posted on 03/03/2025 8:02:51 PM PST by Mariner

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To: SmokingJoe

The USSR put ultranationalists in the gulag, along with anyone else who argued with the party line. Armand Hammer was a Soviet-friendly guy. Later, the Gore family benefited greatly from Occidental Petroleum.


41 posted on 03/03/2025 9:02:00 PM PST by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum)
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To: Mariner
Well, if it doesn't involve a free and independent Ukraine with something close to its pre-2022 territories the Ukrainians might just say, "No."

Loudmouths here simply know nothing about these people. There is nothing Putin can do to them that their ancestors haven't endured 10x worse.

Look at the Poles: they resisted, and the Germans razed Warsaw to the ground.

They rebuilt every single brick.

42 posted on 03/03/2025 9:02:35 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Dr. Franklin; Mariner
Britain and the E.U. have a combined GDP that surpasses the U.S.

According to actual statistics for 2024, the U.S. GDP was $29,168B and the EU/UK GDP was $19,403B/$3,588B, combined total $22,991B.

https://statisticstimes.com/economy/country/uk-gdp.php

According to the IMF World Economic Outlook (October 2024), the United Kingdom's nominal GDP in 2024 is projected to be around $3,588 billion at current prices. Based on PPP, the United Kingdom's GDP in 2024 is forecast at 4,282 billion international dollars.

https://statisticstimes.com/economy/united-states-vs-eu-economy.php

As per projections by the IMF for 2024, with $29,168 billion, the United States is leading by $9,765 billion, or 1.5 times of the EU ($19,403 billion) on an exchange rate basis.

[...]

As of 2024, the United States is almost double richer than the EU, and even in ppp, its figure is 38% higher than that of the European Union. The US had a greater GDP per capita than the EU since 1960.


43 posted on 03/03/2025 9:09:54 PM PST by woodpusher
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To: lovingliberty1965

when was the last time marcus-minimus posted?
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For the senile Joe Ukie war supporters, no need to comment.

“ It is easier to fool someone, than for them to admit they were fooled.

Exhibit A: senile Joes ineffective and dangerous MRNA jabs.
Exhibit B: Senile Joe’s ( and western MSM) Ukie war narrative.


44 posted on 03/03/2025 9:11:34 PM PST by delta7
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To: doc maverick

LOL! 😂🤪


45 posted on 03/03/2025 9:17:00 PM PST by antceecee ( )
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To: buwaya
Eventually, any country can be bought off and pacified. Russia has a centuries-old paranoia, so it will take a while. China has ambitions to take back the far Eastern Siberian provinces, including Vladivostok. The CCP recently decided to to refer to Vladivostok by its old Mandarin name (too hard to spell here). Evidently they would rather grab it than build a new port of their own.

China plays the long game. Any signs of weakness from Russia in the coming decades will be an opportunity for the CCP, not necessarily by outright invasion, but by economic policies and acquisitions in the Russian Far East.

I’m not fooled by Xi’s present declarations of brotherhood with Russia. That could easily fall apart in a post-Putin world.

In the long run, the Trump / Vance policy of rapprochement with Russia, to counterbalance Chinese pressure, will help to improve the stability of the tripartite world order.

The challenge for the U. S. is reducing its debt. Trump is on the right track. Even though the DOGE cuts can’t take effect until October, the just-announced $100B deal with Taiwan Semiconductors is a huge win.

46 posted on 03/03/2025 9:24:26 PM PST by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum)
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To: All

Something not mentioned and probably more important than any of the items paused with the suspension of satellite imagery provided to Ukraine. Drones are very localized and satellite imagery is not.

After about a week of no imagery the Russians will be able to concentrate forces without being seen and there will be no response to it and game over


47 posted on 03/03/2025 10:08:10 PM PST by Owen
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To: pierrem15

“Look at the Poles: they resisted, and the Germans razed Warsaw to the ground.

They rebuilt every single brick.”

Yes, they did, and fought hard, but they didn’t do it on their own. But you’re right about the resistance. That is why Putin won’t take the entire Ukraine, and he won’t invade Poland. He’ll go on as he us now, grinding them down. The big hope now, since the USA won’t intervene is Russia collapsing somehow.


48 posted on 03/03/2025 10:18:07 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: Dr. Franklin

They let Europe do it

The money

The manpower

The weapons

Let them do it

They should be wiping their own ass

But what will happen is they will inflamed this into a bigger war

Then want the US to come save their ass

Just like World War I and World War II

That’s the problem Europe has been hiding so long behind the US that they’ve forgotten what it takes to win a war...


49 posted on 03/03/2025 10:26:52 PM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat90000)
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To: rfp1234

I looked it up too, lol.


50 posted on 03/03/2025 10:57:21 PM PST by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: Mariner

Speaking to the communist Filipino living in Spain is like speaking to a rock dragged out of a septic tank.


51 posted on 03/03/2025 11:02:14 PM PST by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: tophat9000
It's apparent the Trump Administration has decided to impose a peace deal on Ukraine and Europe.

Like North Korea will attack South Korea for supplying arms to Ukraine? Bring it on.
52 posted on 03/03/2025 11:31:23 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: lovingliberty1965

Beat me to it.


53 posted on 03/04/2025 1:09:45 AM PST by StayoutdaBushesWay (Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see)
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To: Mariner

after Trump cuts defense aid to Kyiv leaving Ukrainian civilians to the murderous tender mercies of Putin’s drones and missiles. By not sending more Patriot batteries and more missiles for them, more civilians will be murdered.

Just another ‘lure’ to bring Putin to the table.

Meanwhile,
Kremlin signals Russia-US talks on Ukraine not immediate
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4301936/posts


54 posted on 03/04/2025 4:32:55 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Mariner

Little man’s temper tantrum didn’t go well for him.


55 posted on 03/04/2025 4:36:09 AM PST by Vision (“Our Democracy” means "Our Slush Fund.")
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To: Mariner

This is a Democrat-Neocon inspired war. Nato expansion up to the doorstep of Russia is the issue that triggered the invasion.

The Democrat party will disintegrate if they lose on this issue. It is crucial that they retain US support of Ukraine or they lose control of Washington.

Watch and learn.....


56 posted on 03/04/2025 4:55:12 AM PST by blackberry1
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To: rfp1234
--- "Their governments would immediately lose their next elections. Most Europeans won't just give up their two-month vacations and other benefits to support military spending increases."

From views of the friends and colleagues we had throughout Europe when we had legal residency in Germany, I think this very correct. Even one of my avid SPD voter neighbors has already balked at the notion in our email exchanges.

Moreover, many are troubled about the layoffs across some sectors of the economies in northern Europe.

57 posted on 03/04/2025 4:55:36 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Widget Jr

Geesh, you got it. There are no guarantees. The alternative is just keep warring until everyone is gone forever.

They could have an agreement guarantee that will then require a double dog guarantee.

If you take off the blinders long enough, Russia would not be the only country not honoring agreements.

NATO was not to expand eastward, yet NATO did it over and
over. Russia did nothing about it until Ukraine. It amuses me that because people can see the hypocrisy of the west and notice how the west plays innocent as they bully and gobble up other countrys under a banner of spreading freedom. They are spreading something alright and it doesn’t smell like freedom. We have since found out USAID has been spreading that rancid cheese on our taxpayer dime.

Russia also plays that game, but they don’t waste much time trying to convince people how noble they are because they don’t stand a chance against the globalist media machine.

We can all pretend that the WEF/NWO countries involved in the reset aren’t really doing what they are doing. They put on airs of being morally superior. It is the act of snakes.

When I get to the “then what?” at the end of your post I want to chuckle. I would have thought before the UK/EU got to that point that they would have spent time and money building defensive strength and would be prepared for what happens after Trump or Putin.

Honoring agreements is a two way street and one thing I notice about the neoCONs pushing these wars and dishonoring agreements is that they are generally greedy phonys who don’t know the meaning of honor.

That also goes both ways in this conflict.


58 posted on 03/04/2025 6:07:03 AM PST by dforest
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To: Mariner

When Ukraine and Europe give US Taxpayers $350 Billion back for The War they can then dictate. Until then STFU.


59 posted on 03/04/2025 6:47:38 AM PST by Chgogal (Voting Democrat is suicidal. )
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To: Mariner

buy minerals from russia.
Let grifter Z-ski eat Euro cake.
and please turn off starlink.
a unilateral ceasefire by russia could work if ukes stop their terrorist atacks inside russia.
those long range missiles need to be returned.


60 posted on 03/04/2025 8:27:28 AM PST by CarolinaReaganFan
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