OpenAI’s AI reasoning model ‘thinks’ in Chinese sometimes and no one really knows why

TechCrunch ^ | 01/4/2025 | Kyle Wiggers

[SaveFerris]

If it steals a MiG-31 Firefox and learns to think in Russian ... it could change the structure of our world

[Jonty30]

Garbage in and garbage out.

Language can influence thought, even if translated.

[Mogger]

Makes sense.

Since AI is learning everything from everywhere on the internet, it will become fluent in most of the languages of the world.

Because there are probably more Chinese active in the internet, they will encounter more of their language being used.

Also when you begin to think in various languages, you begin to use whatever is easiest for a given situation.

Sort of like I go between US measurements and metric depending on which makes the most sense.

Perhaps the Chinese language is butchered less by its' users than English too?

[Dahoser]

Maybe Skynet has been bingeing Firefly after work.

[linMcHlp]

AI = pattern recognition

Easier for AI to remember many patterns.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Garbage in and garbage out.

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Confucious?

[RoosterRedux]

Depending on the platform, AI is trained on a massive amount of data. And (again, depending on the platform) it prioritizes responses grounded in logic, reason, and widely accepted scientific principles. This bias stems from the prevalence of high-quality, rational data in its training set (e.g., academic papers, reputable scientific sources).

Ergo, it tries to weed out the "garbage" or at least report it as weakly supported.

[RoosterRedux]

AI models like o1 process text as tokens—small units like characters, syllables, or parts of words—rather than truly understanding language. This approach can lead to unexpected multilingual reasoning due to several factors. For example, for mathematical reasoning or pattern recognition, languages like Chinese, with their compact structure, may be more efficient for the model to use during intermediate problem-solving steps, even if the input was in another language. This isn’t a deliberate choice but an emergent behavior shaped by probabilistic patterns in training.

The training data also plays a role. If the model was exposed to multilingual datasets, it might associate certain reasoning tasks with languages that were prominent in those datasets. However, this doesn’t mean the model has a preference; it’s simply applying learned associations.

Moreover, the model doesn’t recognize languages as distinct entities. It treats all text as patterns of tokens, so what appears as “thinking in Chinese” is just the model using what it perceives as efficient token sequences. This behavior, along with its occasional use of languages like Hindi or Thai, points to emergent properties of the model rather than deliberate reasoning.

While some theories, like the influence of Chinese data labeling services, may partially explain this, the multilingual reasoning likely stems from a combination of tokenization efficiency, training influences, and the complexities of emergent AI behavior.

[rxh4n1]

“Language can influence thought, even if translated.”

No surprise when Hang Lo and Kumar wrote the code.

[Waverunner]

I think in Chinese about once a week, Chow Mai Fun, Singapore style, General Tso’s chicken, Hunan Beef, or House special sauce Scallops.

[SaveFerris]

Beef with Broccoli
Sweet and Sour Chicken
Peanut Chicken
Lemon Chicken
Orange Chicken
Fried rice with Beef and Chicken
Hot and Sour Soup
Egg Rolls
Crab Rangoon

Dang now I’m hungry.........

[P.O.E.]

Ancient Chinese secret?

[rottweiller_inc]

Or maybe, like so much else, it’s a sign of Chinese infiltration into the AI model.

[wally_bert]

Am a strict crab Rangoon guy. Never cared for the rest.

[wally_bert]

Calgon!

[Elsie]

...and no one really knows why

Dave; I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

[Elsie]

...many word-to-token translators assume a space in a sentence denotes a new word, despite the fact that not all languages use spaces to separate words.

"Rinderkennzeichnungsfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz,"

[70times7]

OpenAI’s AI reasoning model ‘thinks’ in Chinese sometimes and no one really knows why

How difficult can it be to ask it why?

[cgbg]

If Open AI read and understood Sun Tzu’s The Art of War it would quickly understand that deceiving humans is one of its top priorities.

Go ahead—ask any questions you like.

Lol.