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Civilization and Barbarism
American Thinker ^ | Lars Møller

Posted on 12/15/2024 6:03:44 AM PST by RoosterRedux

As the true scale of German war crimes committed during the 1940s eventually became known, the public response across the West was one of outrage and disbelief.

That the native country of such master spirits as Immanuel Kant, Johann W. von Goethe, and Ludwig van Beethoven could also have bred the vile Nazi mob looked like a mystery. It was such a long way from the creation of philosophy, poetry, and symphonic music, respectively, to the implementation of fake-scientific, inhumane eugenics after the seizure of power by Adolf Hitler. And the distance between good and evil became infinitely long as soon as the Nazis indulged wholesale in their emblem atrocities of the Holocaust, industrializing the sadistic orgy of genocide in the vast territories occupied by their troops.

Of course, there is no real contradiction, unless you insist on an unduly innocent (misguided) view of human nature. Since the foundation of civilization, scientific and literary masters, whose brilliant works continue to amaze and inspire us, have trodden the same places as the worst scum under the sun. The rendition of life in antiquity by artists has, as a rule, omitted the boringly prosaic in favor of romantic idealization. And as long as we are busy perfecting the institutions of civilized society, we are likely to be blinded by our own ideals and forget that perfection is impossible in this world. The truth is that barbarism — our base instinct as humans — always survives in the shadows.

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What separates modern man from Stone Age man as a fellow human being is not his DNA, but the contingent layout of institutions determined by the cultural history of his society. From cradle to grave, they help shape his state of mind and behavior.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilization

1 posted on 12/15/2024 6:03:44 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Civilization never did quite take hold east of the Rhine.


2 posted on 12/15/2024 6:13:28 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: RoosterRedux
That the native country of such master spirits as Immanuel Kant, Johann W. von Goethe, and Ludwig van Beethoven could also have bred the vile Nazi mob looked like a mystery.

Not such a mystery. America has had George Washington and Obama.

3 posted on 12/15/2024 6:15:26 AM PST by grobdriver (The CDC can KMA!)
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To: RoosterRedux
The Left's obsession with Wokeness, DEI, and Marxism has shoved us back toward barbarism.

And think of the barbarism of chopping body parts of children for gender reassignment or ripping babies ready to be born from their mothers' wombs. It doesn't get any more savage than that.

4 posted on 12/15/2024 6:17:11 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson (paraphrased): "If you strike at the king, don't fail." The Democrats failed. )
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To: grobdriver
America has had George Washington and Obama.

Washington was born here. The long legged mack daddy wasn't.

5 posted on 12/15/2024 6:21:35 AM PST by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.")
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To: RoosterRedux

the culture to which they belong — their ideology — is inherently barbaric, expressly advocating oppression (and enslavement), if not extermination, of those of different faiths.

Dating back to its origins in the Arabian Peninsula, Islam has been an intolerant, aggressive warrior religion constantly striving for expansion and dominance. As a result of holy war, it has succeeded in wiping out (a) Christianity from the Middle East, Anatolia, and North Africa, (b) Manichaeism and Zoroastrianism from Persia, and (c) Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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In the West, the progressive elite has forbidden citizens to problematize the barbaric practices of Islam (e.g. blunt violence, mutilation, and homicide as variably legitimized by Sharia in the context of petty crime, perceived blasphemy, and gender discrimination). Any criticism of the invasive ideology, whose dogmas conflict openly with the traditions of freedom in the West, is met with the implacable accusation of “Islamophobia” (i.e. a politically charged term on a par with “racism”).

Utterly corrupted by secular relativism — yet, a seeming paradox, full of awe of the moral absolutists from outside — champions of the chattering class refuse to distinguish between good and evil, thereby denying the sacrifices of previous generations for “liberty, equality, and fraternity”.

Without a doubt, the survival of Western civilization is in the balance.
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Yes, Islam is of the devil. Yes, Nazis are of the devil. Yes Bolsheviks and Communists are of the devil.


6 posted on 12/15/2024 6:26:36 AM PST by yldstrk
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To: RoosterRedux

Recent articles about the gas pipeline(s) going through Syria to, ultimately, Germany and the destruction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, are making me think that the NWO is trying to goad Germany into war.

Freezing in winter will make a lot of people long for the “good old days”.


7 posted on 12/15/2024 6:26:56 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Sirius Lee

Maybe a factor - Hitler was not German; he was from Austria.


8 posted on 12/15/2024 6:28:53 AM PST by grobdriver (The CDC can KMA!)
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To: RoosterRedux; All

Interesting. What separates the good from the evil, the truthful from the deceiver, the builder from the destroyer, the civilized from the barbarian?


9 posted on 12/15/2024 6:31:20 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: PGalt

Duration of stay.


10 posted on 12/15/2024 6:37:19 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: BenLurkin

I have read two histories of the battle of the Teutoburg Forest. One written in 1850s said it was good the Romans lost as this prevented the Roman decadence from infecting Germany and allowed them to develop normally leading to the great composers of the 17 and 1800 centuries and great philosophers.
The other, written in the 1990s said it was horrible the Romans lost as this prevented Roman Law and Justice from becoming standard in Germany, the loss of which led to Hitler.


11 posted on 12/15/2024 6:57:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Sirius Lee

Obama. Born here or not (I saw a claim for Kenya) he was raised in this formative years in Indonesia and was not culturally American but culturally Indonesian moslem.


12 posted on 12/15/2024 7:00:06 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: RoosterRedux; mairdie; gleeaikin

13 posted on 12/15/2024 7:52:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Politics do not make strange bedfellows, and the enemy of your enemy may still be your enemy.)
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To: RoosterRedux

BTTT


14 posted on 12/15/2024 8:52:11 AM PST by nopardons
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To: RoosterRedux

There’s a bunch of them here on FR today. Not shy and not hard to find.


15 posted on 12/15/2024 8:52:50 AM PST by Uncle Miltie ("Israel will just have to ... kill more Christians” - FR's own "nitzy")
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To: RoosterRedux
We have our own vile Nazi mob here in the United States - Chuckles Schumer, Nanzi Pelouse, Lizard Cheney, Gauleiter Garland and ADumb Schitt, to name a few.
16 posted on 12/15/2024 9:18:19 AM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: BenLurkin

17 posted on 12/15/2024 12:44:39 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: RoosterRedux

Leaving Civilization Entering Barbarism.

That should have been a sign at the California state line when I moved in.


18 posted on 12/15/2024 12:46:24 PM PST by Vaduz
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To: RoosterRedux
barbarism is always bubbling just below the surface of man
19 posted on 12/15/2024 3:52:49 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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