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Why Trump is the ultimate American
The Times ^ | 12/5/2024 | GERARD BAKER

Posted on 12/05/2024 9:01:19 PM PST by Aeneas2112

"Obama and Biden tried to make the US more like Europe but the 47th president is a throwback to national exceptionalism"

(Excerpt) Read more at thetimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: exceptionalism; maga; trump; uk
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A take from the London Times.
1 posted on 12/05/2024 9:01:19 PM PST by Aeneas2112
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To: Aeneas2112

“throwback”

— A truly GREAT reset.


2 posted on 12/05/2024 9:08:10 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

“throwback”

Rings true with the “Again” in MAGA.


3 posted on 12/05/2024 9:15:12 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Aeneas2112

Good essay - the guy gets it!


4 posted on 12/05/2024 9:46:59 PM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they. control you. )
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To: Aeneas2112

The Brits write so well. Hardly anyone here who can write like that. Perhaps Mark Steyn.


5 posted on 12/05/2024 9:51:06 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Aeneas2112

Now. I want you to remember...no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country...


6 posted on 12/05/2024 9:51:24 PM PST by know.your.why
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To: Aeneas2112
Excellent article! Thanks for posting it.

7 posted on 12/05/2024 9:57:05 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and His mercy endureth forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: Aeneas2112
America is not exceptional.

Neocons talk of American exceptionalism.

But we are subject to the same laws of nature as anyone else. If we overspend, we go bankrupt. If we overextend our military, we collapse. We can and have lost wars. If we enact poor social policies, if we turn our back on Christ, our culture collapses.

America is not magic. We can't ignore reality and rely on "exceptionalism" to pull us through.

Trump is better grounded in this reality than the Neocons.

Other nations have version of exceptionalism. "There'll always be an England!" Well, maybe not. Not if they keep enacting their current immigration and police policies.

8 posted on 12/05/2024 9:58:42 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: know.your.why
Now. I want you to remember...no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country...

For those who don't get the reference: "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." --George S. Patton

9 posted on 12/05/2024 10:13:31 PM PST by piytar (Remember Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, and Corey Comperatore!)
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To: Angelino97

what?


10 posted on 12/05/2024 10:15:07 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Aeneas2112
I spend a lot of time in Europe for work.

I have no desire for the U.S. to be like Europe.

11 posted on 12/05/2024 10:16:21 PM PST by GaryCrow
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To: Angelino97

Can you define what a neocon is?

I hear the term all the time but i’m not sure who it refers to. Is it another word for RINO?


12 posted on 12/05/2024 10:19:29 PM PST by Jaysin (Trump can't be beat, unless the democrats cheat)
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To: Jaysin

A NEOCON is a person who has never seen a war they didn’t LOVE getting us into!!


13 posted on 12/05/2024 10:27:18 PM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Aeneas2112

And consider with full global communist internal and external resources against him cheating, again, he pulled off a win in a way only one other president has ever done.


14 posted on 12/05/2024 10:48:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jaysin
Neoconservative is a term coined by Irving Kristol. It referred to former Democrats new (neo) to conservatism, who came to conservatism in the 1970s because they were repelled by the Democrats soft foreign policies.

This first wave of Neoconservatives were 1960s leftists and heavily Jewish. After Israel's Six-Day War, they were shocked to see their leftist colleagues sympathetic to Palestinians. And as Soviet Jews became a rising concern, they were increasingly upset by the Democrats' soft on Communism approach.

So these former leftist Jews migrated to the GOP in the 1970s. (See David Horowitz's "Red Diaper Baby".) But they retained a distaste for Christian conservative positions on social issues (abortion, gay marriage, prayer in school).

Neoconservatism has since evolved into a belief that it is America's duty to be the world's policeman. That it is our duty to spread freedom and democracy throughout the globe. And especially to continue to America's massive financial and military support for Israel.

After the fall of Communism, Pat Buchanan tried to return the U.S. to its traditional (pre-WW2) America First Isolationism (no foreign wars, no foreign aid to any nation), but was defeated in 1992's Republican primaries by the Neocons' candidate, George Bush (who called for a New World Order and instigated the Gulf War).

Our Mideast wars post 9/11 was the zenith of Neocon foreign policy, plan prepared in the 1990s (see Project for a New American Century) and waiting for a crisis to implement.

15 posted on 12/05/2024 11:10:27 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Aeneas2112
Not having read it yet . . .

President Trump is the epitome of what the founders envisioned.

A successful guy that gets into politics for the good of the Republic.

We have at least THREE now that will work on their own dime.

16 posted on 12/06/2024 12:05:09 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true . . . I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Angelino97; Liz; GOPJ; Lazamataz; Aeneas2112
America is not magic.  We can't ignore reality and rely on "exceptionalism" to pull us through.

* * *

Thanks, Angelino.  I think you're right to push back a bit on this Brit's analysis.

Even as this Brit editor Gerard Baker is praising America, he's also putting Trump and Americans down.

By saying Trump is the ultimate American, he probably means: Trump and Americans are intellectual knuckle-draggers compared to Brits who drink tea properly with the pinky finger pointing up.

If Baker was really praising Trump, the story's title would be: "Trump's no freak, he a tough leader who knows how to restore America to prosperity and a place where We the People can once again rein in and control their own government."

I never heard of Gerard Baker.  Surprise!  I looked him up and discovered he's a former editor-in-chief of the Wall Street Journal (2013-2018).  So imagine that: a Brit ran America's most influential business newspaper for 5 years.  I'll bet he hired Peggy Noonan to write her many editorials dissing President Trump.

If there's any British editor or columnist who really thinks Trump is great, I'd like to know who he is.  Or show me an Brit editor who truly loves what Nigel Farage is doing there.  That's a guy I can trust -- and one whose column I want to read!

Don't be dazzled by Baker's writing style.  As an editor, he should be good at that.  What don't like is Baker's "damning with faint praise" at Trump and Americans in general.

17 posted on 12/06/2024 12:57:38 AM PST by poconopundit
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If Baker was really praising Trump, the story’s title would be:
“Trump’s no freak, he a tough leader who knows how to restore America to prosperity
and a place where We the People can once again rein in and control their own government.”


Now that’s one accolade for posterity.


18 posted on 12/06/2024 1:02:38 AM PST by Liz (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to RULE. (H.L. Mencken)
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To: GaryCrow
I spend a lot of time in Europe for work. I have no desire for the U.S. to be like Europe.

I was an exchange student in Europe at all levels of education. I worked in Europe twice. I've lived in 4 European countries and speak 3 languages. I appreciate and indeed love a lot of the art, architecture, culture and history of various European countries.

I'm an American and do not want to see America become like a European country. We are different. We have our own history and culture and I love America for it. I don't want their socialism. I don't want their pessimism. I don't want their nihilism. I don't want their collectivism. I don't want their weakness and world weariness. I don't want their entrenched elites who hold the common people in utter contempt. I don't want their system in which the government has its fingers in every pie, individual rights are freely trampled on, and the government is controlled by the bureaucrats.

In my best Southern accent: "Eff that chit."

19 posted on 12/06/2024 2:18:13 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: Aeneas2112

Interesting article. Thanks for posting. “Sir Keir Starmer”


20 posted on 12/06/2024 4:30:48 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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