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The 'donut effect' persists: Major US cities may never again look like they did before the pandemic
Phys.org/Stanford U ^ | 03 Dec 2024 | Staff

Posted on 12/04/2024 12:36:08 AM PST by blueplum

What is the shelf life of a freshly baked donut? Two days, tops. But when it comes to an entirely different kind of donut—one that Stanford economist Nicholas Bloom described early in the pandemic when he measured the exodus of people from city centers to city suburbs—there appears to be no expiration date....

Since the pandemic, the country's 12 largest cities have cumulatively lost 8% of their downtown dwellers. Three-fifths of the households that left moved to nearby suburbs...

What does this mean, then, for the country's biggest cities? Painful choices that will likely involve cutting spending, raising taxes and restructuring their downtowns, Bloom says....

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: donuteffect; housingshortage; sociology; urbandecay
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Bloom believes that hollowing out urban centers may make housing more affordable, however, this belief seems to be contradicted by the need for cities to raise taxes on the lower-wage population who remain, in order to fund city governments.
1 posted on 12/04/2024 12:36:08 AM PST by blueplum
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They prattle about doughnuts but do they even know what they cost?
I have better headline and it doesn’t involves doughnuts AND it sums up the problem. “Truth shines in Big City, Rats Flee”.


2 posted on 12/04/2024 12:54:48 AM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: blueplum

Detroit was way ahead of the curve on this one- they started in the late 1950’s. Now those suburbs are losing people to even further out areas like Brighton as the businesses themselves move to the suburbs.

CC


3 posted on 12/04/2024 12:58:27 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: blueplum

Does anyone want an honest conversation on the racial component to this?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.


4 posted on 12/04/2024 2:19:27 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Remember—it is culture not race.

That is why Africa is the wealthiest continent in the world.

Culture.

:-)


5 posted on 12/04/2024 2:34:44 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: blueplum

The only way for cities to survive is to so drastically cut welfare, that the underclass move out, or at least cease having dysfunctional children for the next generation taxpayers to support.


6 posted on 12/04/2024 4:36:15 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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Clean up the crime and menacing presence from the homeless/addicted and illegals and that would turn around.

Boston broke up its big Mass & Cass homeless encampment, so the problem has been spread throughout the city, including on its iconic Boston Common. In response, the city bureaucrats are claiming this was all part of a clever strategy.


7 posted on 12/04/2024 4:40:16 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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“ That is why Africa is the wealthiest continent in the world.”

South Africa and Rhodesia used to be very functional…


8 posted on 12/04/2024 4:55:21 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: blueplum

Note to urbanites: Want great cities back?

SECURE YOUR DAMNED ELECTIONS.

And in NYC’s case get rid of RCV along with those bloody RCV-enabled electronic voting machines.


9 posted on 12/04/2024 5:01:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away!)
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Rome was about 1/10 of its peak population when it fell.

U.S. cities have needed to be dismantled for almost a century.

10 posted on 12/04/2024 5:08:13 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: FreedomPoster

Superficially, the issue is race, but the true components are crime and disorder.


11 posted on 12/04/2024 5:12:09 AM PST by Rockingham
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Article left out the effect of crime and DA who allow violent criminals to roam the streets as a factor. Of course these criminals where possible donut out and sanctuary in as the population exits. Selling my house very soon but should have done it earlier.


12 posted on 12/04/2024 5:32:10 AM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: FreedomPoster
Does anyone want an honest conversation on the racial component to this?

Any racial component is a symptom, not a cause. These cities were already dead before the politicians moved newcomers in.

13 posted on 12/04/2024 5:44:02 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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I’m not talking about newcomers, but illegals are a problem, too.


14 posted on 12/04/2024 5:46:30 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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The "newcomers" were those people who the politicians brought in after the "white flight" through the 1950s.

Most cities already had declining population by the 1930s. WW2 staved off some of the decline but by the 1950s, entire swaths of cities were abandoned.

The current illegal alien invasion is a whole other level of failure.

15 posted on 12/04/2024 5:50:37 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: blueplum

Anonymous sources = made up


16 posted on 12/04/2024 5:58:54 AM PST by bray (It's not racist to be racist against races the DNC hates.)
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Think of all the “help” Blacks receive from Democrats. Welfare programs that incentivize fathers to leave home. Inner-city schools that indoctrinate more than they teach. Tolerance of crime means lots of crime victims. Rioting and looting are tolerated, which means that work and shopping opportunities disappear. With friends like this, who needs enemies? It almost sounds like systemic racism:
Family busting welfare
Poor schools
Lax or non-existent law enforcement

Systemic racism is policy with Democrats: Indian removal (Trail of Tears), slavery, segregation, internment camps, affirmative action. At one time or another, every race has suffered at the hand of the Democrats.


17 posted on 12/04/2024 6:47:33 AM PST by ChessExpert (The Democratic party must be destroyed.)
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To: blueplum

Commercial real estate vacancy rates, as they persist, weigh on the owners who must pay the mortgage debt they have. Even if they can limp along with lower revenues, sooner or later the markets for commercial space will have some bargains, either with lower lease rates or owners trying to sell and willing to take losses at sale instead of losses for years.

However, some markets I just do not understand.

Although only directly during the pandemic was the reduced human traffic in Manhattan noticeable, yet, for Manhattan commercial real estate:

Q3 2024: The vacancy rate was 18.7%, the first time it’s been below 19% since Q1 2021.
Q2 2024: The vacancy rate was 17.9%, a slight decrease from the previous quarter.
April 2024: The vacancy rate was at a record high, more than double the rate at the start of the pandemic.
March 2020: The vacancy rate was 10%

And:

Asking rents have dropped by 8% since the pandemic, which is a relatively mild drop compared to other recessions.
Available supply: The total available supply has grown by 79.5% since March 2020.
Sublet availability: Sublet inventory is still 71.7% higher than in March 2020.

But in spite of all that, construction and major renvotions of large commercial buildings in Manhattan never ceased and, in my view, is as busy today as it has ever been. In spite of the commercial space downturn some people with money to burn continue to pour money into Manhattan, like crazy.


18 posted on 12/04/2024 7:22:18 AM PST by Wuli
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The article goes on and on and on. But there is no mention of high crime and Democrat Party rule. The pandemic just gave a lot of people the chance to move to safer areas, areas coincidentally not ruled by corrupt commies.


19 posted on 12/04/2024 7:42:12 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: cgbg

“There’s a black civil war going on, and there’s two sides.....” - Chris Rock


20 posted on 12/04/2024 7:44:09 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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