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Russia condemns ‘irresponsible’ talk of nuclear weapons for Ukraine
The Straits Times ^ | Nov 26, 2024, 10:38 PM | Reuters

Posted on 11/26/2024 8:11:57 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: E. Pluribus Unum
How sleazy of you, ignoring the $250,000,000,000+ we have laundered through Ukraine and the tanks, missiles and fighter jets we have supplied them.

Yeah, that we have given to Ukraine to defend against a Russian invasion! None of this would have happened if Russia had not first invaded. Why is that so hard to understand?

21 posted on 11/26/2024 11:55:27 AM PST by Petrosius
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Yeah, that we have given to Ukraine to defend against a Russian invasion!

More sleazy indiretion.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not the unprovoked attack the war enthusiasts say it was.

It started in 1990 when James Baker promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand one inch further eastward if Russia agreed to the reunification of Germany, thereby officially ending WW II.

Gorbachev agreed, but within four years we began expanding NATO eastward anyway.

The Russian invasion occurred when NATO began teasing NATO membership for Ukraine, whose name literally means "borderland" because it is on the border with Russia and has been the origin of multiple invasions of Russia in the past.

We fomented a Ukraine revolution/coup in 2014, caused a civil war and sided with the neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists that wanted to exterminate the ethnic Russian population.

We encouraged Ukraine to ignore the Minsk Agreement it signed that would have brought peace to the region.

We armed Ukraine with offensive weapons, teased NATO membership for Ukraine and opened biological weapons labs there.

Then we built the Ukrainian army into the largest army in the NATO zone besides us, and massed it for deployment in the area of the Donbass in obvious preparation for an attack.

And finally, when Russia responded to all that, we claimed they invaded Ukraine for no good reason to annex territory.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-conversation-between


22 posted on 11/26/2024 12:04:42 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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Talk about Russian propaganda!

It started in 1990 when James Baker promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand one inch further eastward if Russia agreed to the reunification of Germany, thereby officially ending WW II.

There was no treaty and the Soviet Union (not Russia) had no right to block the unification of Germany in the first place. Unification was going to happen one way or another.

Gorbachev agreed, but within four years we began expanding NATO eastward anyway.

NATO expanded because the newly freed countries in eastern Europe sought it for protection against Russian dominance. It change the balance of power but it was not a threat to Russia. No one has ever contemplated NATO invading Russia. What it did do was check Russian dominance over eastern Europe. Ask the Poles or the Baltic states why they joined.

The Russian invasion occurred when NATO began teasing NATO membership for Ukraine.

NATO was not teasing it; Ukraine, like the other eastern European countries, was seeking it. The NATO response was always to kick the can down the road. Indeed, as long as Russia held Ukrainian territory, Ukraine was ineligible for membership. So the rational for the Russian invasion is non-existent. But this has been pointed out many times before.

We fomented a Ukraine revolution/coup in 2014, caused a civil war…

No, the protests arouse when Yanukovych bowed to Russian pressure and reneged on the EU agreement. This was highly popular and had already been approved by the parliament. After Yanukovych turned the security forces against the protesters the situation became unstable and Yanukovych fled the country. The parliament then declared that he had abandoned his office. A new election was immediately called. The new president was elected by the Ukrainian people, not installed by the CIA. His success, Zelensky, was also so elected.

caused a civil war and sided with the neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists that wanted to exterminate the ethnic Russian population.

The "civil war" was started when Russia utilized militants from the ethnic Russian minority in Donbas to seize the area. Ukrainian forces nearly regained control of all the area until Russia sent in its own forces

Neither is the Ukrainian government neo-Nazi nor was there any attempt to exterminate the ethnic Russian population. Anyone spouting this nonsense is just repeating Russian propaganda.

We encouraged Ukraine to ignore the Minsk Agreement it signed that would have brought peace to the region.

We did no such thing. Indeed, Ukraine upheld its part of the agreement by passing a law granting autonomy to Donbas, and by preparing to hold the required referendum. Russia violate the agreement by not withdrawing its forces, by not handing over the border to Ukraine, and by blocking the referendum that Ukraine was planning to hold. But pro-Russian propagandists always leave this out.

Then we built the Ukrainian army into the largest army in the NATO zone besides us, and massed it for deployment in the area of the Donbass in obvious preparation for an attack.

Which was in response to Russia arming the pro-Russian militants. And why should Ukraine not seek to reestablish control over its sovereign territory?

And finally, when Russia responded to all that, we claimed they invaded Ukraine for no good reason to annex territory.

Because Russia had not good reason to invade, either in 2014 or in 2022. All of the points you have made are just a Russian cover for the real reason for the invasion. Putin, like many other Russian nationalists, has never accepted the legitimacy of Ukrainian independence. With a weak Biden he thought that he had the chance to correct "Lenin's mistake." If this were not the case, he would have accepted Zelensky's offer of no NATO in exchange for Russian withdrawal. Instead, Putin is demanding that Ukraine withdraw from even more land and accept a militarily imposed pro-Russian government. So I think that you can take your Russian propaganda elsewhere.

23 posted on 11/26/2024 12:43:08 PM PST by Petrosius
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Factual and complete. Good work.


24 posted on 11/26/2024 8:35:55 PM PST by Bob Wills is still the king (Just a Texas Playboy at heart!)
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To: Petrosius

bttt


25 posted on 11/26/2024 8:55:56 PM PST by linMcHlp
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