Posted on 11/09/2024 12:49:42 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Relations between Ukraine and the UK have 'worsened' since the Labour party took power, officials in Kyiv have said.
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer is yet to visit Ukraine in the four months since he took office in government.
According to a senior figure in President Volodymyr Zelensky's office, a trip to Kyiv would now be 'worthless' unless Starmer committed to replenishing stocks of the long-range Storm Shadow system.
This comes after Boris Johnson urged the PM to break the impasse over allowing Ukraine to fire long-range missiles into Russia, warning that every day's delay is costing lives.
The senior figure told the Guardian that there is 'no point' in Starmer 'coming as a tourist'.
Discussing the additional missiles for the Storm Shadow, the source added: 'It isn't happening. Starmer isn't giving us long-range weapons. The situation is not the same as when Rishi Sunak was prime minister. The relationship has got worse.'
It comes at a time when Ukraine is doubtful over the impact Donald Trump will have after his US election victory.
Previous Prime Minister Rishi Sunak visited Zelensky shortly after taking office, while Boris Johnson enjoyed a close relationship with the Ukraine president.
Speaking after a visit to war casualties in Kyiv, Johnson expressed frustration that talks between Sir Keir and US President Joe Biden in Washington had failed to sanction the use of Storm Shadow missiles against Vladimir Putin's forces.
Mr Johnson said: 'It is heartbreaking to visit wounded veterans in recovery centres – as I have in Kyiv this weekend – where Ukrainian heroes are being treated for the injuries they have suffered in the past few months, and to think that some of these casualties could have been avoided if we had given Storm Shadow permissions earlier.
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The west is rightly afraid to give Kyiv long range missiles because it would implicate them in direct conflict with Russia. Putin said a few times that such long range missiles require the participation of the west to fire them - the Ukraine can’t fire them alone. Finally his words surfaced in the corners of the Internet enough that the UK issued a non-denial denial, explaining that that isn’t true the West is required, however is is true that the West is required. I hope to transcribe that video explaining the excuses that came forward re the long range missiles.
SO Putin said if the West is required to fire the long range missiles, then such firings constitute the west directly entering the war with Russia. In response, Russia would then feel justified in firing on Western assets regardless of where they are located in the world.
So Biden and UK have not taken that step, although both deny that the West would be required. Part of that explanation, as I recall has to do with satellite information needed for targeting.
Note I can go on yt and see all the Israeli action going on but never anything on the uke war that we’re spending 100s of billions on.
It may also be that the UK sees no upside now, as they’ve totally pissed off both Russia and the US (with their election meddling), and what would be the point of attacking Russia anyway - it won’t change the war, it won’t even goad Putin into attacking NATO (why bother, when Trump is coming in), it will just make life FAR WORSE than it already is for the abused people in the UK.
There must be hundreds of YT videos on UKR. More on Telegram
“According to a senior figure in President Volodymyr Zelensky’s office, a trip to Kyiv would now be ‘worthless’ unless Starmer committed to replenishing stocks of the long-range Storm Shadow system.”
For broke beggars, they sure are pushy.
Eff em...
YouTube censors a lot of combat footage, so many sites reporting on Ukraine post the footage on Patreon or elsewhere. The footage is out there.
Which is a bunch of BS. If anything, the Ukrainians have shown that they are not idiots. They can be trained to fire these missiles.
If they weren't idiots, they would have abided by the Minsk Accords or taken the peace deal offered in Turkey in March of 2022.
Only idiots would continue fighting a proxy war for NATO that they can't win and can ONLY result in more loss of territory and more Ukrainian deaths.
Sure, they can FIRE them, but all their targeting data comes from US assets.
And they need that data in real time.
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Zelensky's crew are the most entitled and brazen bunch of beggars I have ever seen. I am totally gobsmacked by their attitude.
They think a demand like , "Give us all of your most advanced and expensive long range missiles or we won't even bother to show up to meet with you to discuss a plan to keep our collapsing military from collapsing ", is a recipe for success?
Let them try that one with President Donald Trump.
This is Hitler Bunker levels of delusion and disconnection with reality.
Don't wait for Steiner, boys- he ain't coming.
He's flown the coup and is hiding out in the mansion on the private island in the Virgin Islands he bough from the Epstein Estate with all the laundered Ukrainians money he grifted.
Oh, stop with the Russian lies! Russia violated the Minsk Accords, not Ukraine. And the peace deal that Russia offered at Istanbul was never going to be accepted by any Ukrainian government. Russia's terms were unreasonable and amounted to complete surrender.
Only idiots would continue fighting a proxy war for NATO that they can't win and can ONLY result in more loss of territory and more Ukrainian deaths.
This may be a proxy war for those who somehow think a Russian win would be a blow against the NWO, but for the Ukrainians it is a war for survival. As for winning, all they have to do prevent a Russian victory; and for the last 2 1/2 years they have been doing a pretty good job. Russia is exhausted and will have difficulty continuing the war for another year.
“If anything, the Ukrainians have shown that they are not idiots. They can be trained to fire these missiles”
No, they cannot. The targeting systems of those missiles use classified and encrypted systems involving satellites and more.
You cannot give Ukrainians clearance for that. It has to be US and Brit operators, and maybe they tell a Uke “Ok, push that button now”.
It’s not a matter of being smart enough or being skilled enough. It’s a matter of security, clearances and access to US satellite and reconnaissance systems.
I think that you are behind the times when it comes to satellite technology. There are already civilian satellites that give enough accuracy for targeting coordinates. We are talking about large stationary targets. The technology within the missile may be classified, but all the operator need do is enter the target’s coordinates.
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Ukraine's relationship with Britain has 'worsened' since Keir Starmer became PM - as stalemate over long-range Storm Shadow missiles continues, Petrosius wrote: Putin said a few times that such long range missiles require the participation of the west to fire them - the Ukraine can’t fire them alone Which is a bunch of BS. If anything, the Ukrainians have shown that they are not idiots. They can be trained to fire these missiles.
You used that deflection technique before, the last time we talked about this. I say that the missiles require Western technological help like Satellite coordinates and you respond as if I said something about the Ukrainians. Rinse and repeat.
The West is needed for satellite coordinates etc. and that has nothing to do with the Ukrainians, their skill typing or pointing weapons etc. SATELLITE COORDINATES.
You're too dishonest and stupid to realize the Minsk Accords were Putin's idea, negotiated from a position of strength. There is no chance the Russians would have violated it.
NATO, moron, didn't want Minsk adopted because the Western elite wanted to get their grubby hands on the natural resources in Donbass.
55º 45' 13.13" NLet's not make this out to be more difficult than it really is. Ukraine has already shown that it can hit targets inside of Russia with its own drone.
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Then why did they pass the law granting Donbas autonomy? And why had they announced plans for a referendum, one which the Russians would block?
You're too dishonest and stupid to realize the Minsk Accords were Putin's idea, negotiated from a position of strength. There is no chance the Russians would have violated it.
Then why did he violate them by failing to withdraw his forces, failing to hand over the border to Ukraine, and by blocking Ukraine's planned referendum?
NATO, moron, didn't want Minsk adopted because the Western elite wanted to get their grubby hands on the natural resources in Donbass.
You are projecting here. This is why Russia seized the territories. They were Ukraine's to start with. That is also why Russia blocked the full implementation of the Minsk Accords which would have allowed the peaceful reintegration of Donbas into Urkaine.
Stormshadow is 100% ITAR free and uses non US components, has multiple modes of guidance including inertia, terrain mapping and infrared homing. For the satalleite component, it can probably use Gallileo now. It doesn’t have to rely on US tech or guidance any more.
” The technology within the missile may be classified, but all the operator need do is enter the target’s coordinates.”
You don’t get it. It’s not a matter of “I know the target is at coordinates XYZ, so I’ll just enter it”. You cannot turn the system on and access the targeting module without the encryption, etc. And that requires clearance and access to US systems.
It’s not some open system any goober can enter in some other targeting data and push a big red button. Not even close.
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