Posted on 10/19/2024 7:01:54 AM PDT by hardspunned
Rump West Ukraine, beginning 50 miles west of the Dnieper, will be thrown to its NATO “allies” to be ripped apart by Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Moldova and Romania.
Ukraine gave up its nukes?!? What utter BS. If you believe that, you’ll also give credence to Erdogan’s claim to keep his nukes at Incerlik Air Base when Turkey leaves NATO.
Putin violated the Budapest Memorandum. THAT was the red line.
Putin’s decision to invade is in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum, a key instrument assuring Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. The memorandum was struck in 1994, following lengthy and complicated negotiations involving the then Russian president Boris Yeltsin, Ukrainian president Leonid Kuchma, US president Bill Clinton and the then British prime minister John Major.
Under the terms of the memorandum, Ukraine agreed to relinquish its nuclear arsenal – the world’s third-largest, inherited from the collapsed Soviet Union – and transfer all nuclear warheads to Russia for decommissioning. This enabled Ukraine to join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear state.
Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandum-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184
Follow up! :
Below is a detailed list of the key agreements and accords signed between the United States and Ukraine, which prove that the U.S. is indeed an ally of Ukraine. These agreements cover a range of areas including security, defense, economic cooperation, energy, and democratic development, underscoring the comprehensive nature of the U.S.-Ukraine alliance.
1. Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances (1994)
Signed: December 5, 1994, in Budapest, Hungary.
Parties Involved: Ukraine, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
Key Provisions:
In exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear arsenal (then the third-largest in the world), the U.S., UK, and Russia provided security assurances.
Commitments included respecting Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and existing borders.
The signatories agreed to refrain from using or threatening to use force against Ukraine and to refrain from economic coercion.
Significance: This memorandum underscored the U.S. commitment (and even Russia’s signed commitment back then) to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, laying the groundwork for subsequent U.S.-Ukraine relations and proving the U.S. as an ally in safeguarding Ukraine’s independence.
2. Charter on a Distinctive Partnership (1997, Updated 2009)
Signed: July 9, 1997, in Madrid, Spain; updated December 19, 2009, in Washington, D.C.
Parties Involved: United States and Ukraine.
Key Provisions:
Established a framework for U.S.-Ukraine cooperation in areas including political dialogue, economic development, security, and defense.
The creation of a U.S.-Ukraine Binational Commission to monitor and enhance bilateral relations.
Emphasized Ukraine’s sovereignty and the shared commitment to regional stability and security.
Significance: The charter formalized a “distinctive partnership” between Ukraine and the U.S., setting up structured cooperation mechanisms and reaffirming U.S. support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and independence.
3. U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership (2008)
Signed: December 19, 2008, in Washington, D.C.
Parties Involved: United States and Ukraine.
Key Provisions:
Affirmed the strategic partnership between the U.S. and Ukraine, highlighting areas of mutual interest such as democracy promotion, economic cooperation, and energy security.
Reiterated support for Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO and its Euro-Atlantic integration.
Strengthened commitments to cooperate on defense and security matters, including military reform and modernization.
Significance: This document significantly deepened the U.S.-Ukraine alliance, particularly in terms of defense cooperation and support for Ukraine’s NATO aspirations, proving a long-term strategic alliance.
4. Memorandum of Understanding on Conventional Weapons and Ammunition (2011)
Signed: 2011
Parties Involved: United States and Ukraine.
Key Provisions:
Focused on the elimination of excess stockpiles of conventional weapons and ammunition in Ukraine.
Enhanced cooperation to reduce the risks associated with weapons proliferation.
Significance: This agreement demonstrated U.S. commitment to improving Ukraine’s internal security environment and reducing proliferation risks, reinforcing the alliance through tangible security cooperation.
5. Defense Cooperation Framework Agreements (Various Years)
Signed: Various years, with notable agreements and updates frequently made.
Parties Involved: United States Department of Defense and Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense.
Key Provisions:
Agreements cover joint military training, defense capacity building, and the provision of military assistance, including lethal and non-lethal aid.
Cooperation on military reforms and enhancing interoperability with NATO forces.
Joint military exercises and exchanges to enhance Ukraine’s defense capabilities.
Significance: These defense agreements solidify the military dimension of the U.S.-Ukraine alliance, providing substantial proof of the U.S. commitment to Ukraine’s defense against external threats.
6. Bilateral Trade and Investment Framework Agreement (TIFA) (2008)
Signed: April 1, 2008.
Parties Involved: United States and Ukraine.
Key Provisions:
Established a formal framework to expand and enhance trade and investment between the two countries.
Promoted dialogue on economic policies, trade barriers, and investment opportunities.
Created a mechanism for resolving trade disputes.
Significance: The TIFA underscored the economic dimension of the U.S.-Ukraine partnership, proving a commitment to mutual economic growth and cooperation.
7. Joint Statement on the U.S.-Ukraine Strategic Partnership (2021)
Signed: September 1, 2021, during President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to Washington, D.C.
Parties Involved: United States and Ukraine.
Key Provisions:
Reaffirmed the U.S.-Ukraine strategic partnership across multiple domains, including democracy, security, and economic growth.
Strengthened cooperation on defense, cybersecurity, and energy security.
Emphasized the U.S. commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russian aggression.
Significance: This joint statement reaffirmed and updated the strategic partnership in light of evolving threats, further solidifying the U.S. as an ally of Ukraine.
8. Bilateral Cybersecurity Cooperation Agreement (2017)
Signed: 2017.
Parties Involved: United States and Ukraine.
Key Provisions:
Established a framework for enhanced cooperation on cybersecurity.
Included provisions for sharing information, best practices, and technical assistance to improve Ukraine’s cybersecurity defenses.
Significance: This agreement reflects the U.S. commitment to helping Ukraine address modern security challenges, such as cyber threats, particularly those emanating from Russia, proving a deep alliance in digital security.
9. U.S.-Ukraine Memorandum of Understanding on Energy Cooperation (2018)
Signed: November 12, 2018.
Parties Involved: United States Department of Energy and Ukraine’s Ministry of Energy.
Key Provisions:
Outlined cooperation in energy security, including nuclear energy and diversification of energy supplies.
Focused on reducing Ukraine’s reliance on Russian energy resources.
Significance: This memorandum emphasized the strategic importance of energy security, showcasing the U.S. role in supporting Ukraine’s energy independence and resilience against external pressures.
10. U.S.-Ukraine Agreement on Science and Technology Cooperation (1999, Renewed Multiple Times)
Signed: May 4, 1999; renewed in 2006, 2011, and 2018.
Parties Involved: United States and Ukraine.
Key Provisions:
Promoted collaboration in scientific research, technology development, and innovation.
Covered areas such as space exploration, environmental science, and biotechnology.
Significance: This agreement fostered scientific and technological collaboration, benefiting both countries and reinforcing a long-term, broad-based alliance beyond military and economic domains.
Resume:
These agreements collectively demonstrate the United States’ juridical commitments to Ukraine as an ally. They cover a wide range of cooperation areas—security, defense, economic development, energy independence, cybersecurity, and scientific collaboration—providing a strong legal and strategic foundation for the U.S.-Ukraine alliance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhddrjjR7ts
Zelensky talked about obtaining nukes in December 2021, which was the final straw for Russian invasion
Now he’s talking about it again, which will ensure that Russia will be forced to take all of Ukraine.
What does the Budapest Memorandum say should happen when a violation occurs and why didn’t that happen when the democratically elected president of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014? 🤔
Zelensky is a mad man! All of our political class that support him are either patently stupid or evil. He has only accomplished the killing of probably more that a million people and the destruction of HIS country. And he will not go to the bargaining table. (probably because he is getting rich of the American taxpayer)
Are we going to pay to nuclearize them?
Why are we funding the UN? I digress. I hope we go no on the first two. I'm still scratching my head on the third though.
They’re not finished bribing the US treasury
France Backs Zelensky’s ‘Victory Plan’, NATO Invitation for Ukraine
Keep your wool socks and white flag handy Frenchie. You will be needing both.
They’re not going to “go nuclear”. First, they don’t have the technology to do it thenselves, and, secondly, no one is going to give them nukes
This should become a most interesting thread. complete with the now-traditional taunts and inanities of "Putin stooge" and such, all the while the EU, along with NATO and its new Lefty Rutte, and now the Harris campaign, all will make some sorts of statements. Realpolitik -- a German word which has entered English -- is the issue, as the past memorandums, treaties, contracts and such lie in the past, while the clear question is -- what to do now?
Sounds like some sort of end game in this still officially non-NATO war between non-NATO Ukraine and non-NATO Russia is so tangled now that the NATO participation -- Rutte being today's proof of this -- is coming into its own sticky part of the web.
Put European NATO boots on the ground officially allied with the Zelensky government? Put US NATO boots on the ground officially allied with the Zelensky government? These would require declarations of war with Russia. Will that happen? We will see, but from the waffling of the Biden administration and the current stances of the Scholz government and other like minded governments in Europe, it seems unlikely.
What is sure is that the US debt rises rapidly, $ 1 trillion every 100 days or so, such that the Ponzi scheme comes into its end game with interest growing larger than the defense budget, along with other end games, within Russian and EU alike.
Therefore:
Vote Trump in 2024, to topple the corruption of Democrats, and have a chance to prune the overgrown administrative state.
Please post the dates and the results when these so-called “agreements” were submitted to the US Senate for ratification.
It’s not Ukraine were talking about. It is Zelenskyy using their possibility as a tool to force NATO to accept UKR.
Get RUS to implement a stand fast cease fire so that UKR elections could held and watch that little shyster lose in oblivion.
If Ukraine had kept its nuclear arsenal in 1994, there would be no war today. Period.
They respected their part of Budapest Memorandum, and gave away all their NUKES. Russia in return promised and signed the deal, to respect ALL ukraine borders, including Crimea.
Well, mafioso Putin raped the deal in 2014 already by invading Crimea.
Then raped even further by invading the rest of Ukraine about 3 years ago.
As a consequence, NO WONDER Urkaine wants nukes back! Right?
The victim of a rape has the right to find means to not be raped again, and again, anad again.
The Kremlin is a terrorist organization. It’s allied with Iran and North Korea. Russia now uses communist North Korean troops against Ukraine for God’s sake, and Islamic missiles and drones from Uber-Islamic Iran!
Since we are not able to protect Ukraine according to our own promises (we signed the Budapest Memorandum), then let Ukraine have nuclear deterrence instead. That will end the war. No more death. Perfect Equilibrium. It will stop Russia from further illegal aggressions and invasions of Ukraine.
Zelensky and Trump talked about this nuclear idea and both seem to be ok with it. Another smart move by Trump.
Of course they do, like ANY country on earth. It’s trump card.
Hardly surprising that you ended your timeline before the Minsk agreement wherein Uk agreed to succeed the Donbas to Russia because its residents voted to do so.
So, that leaves me wondering if you are a bot or receiving money laundering services from UK.
UK “inherited” nukes when the USSR went to its inevitable end. They gave them up in trade for the West’s assurance of protection.
Now, UK violated the Minsk agreement to give up the Donbas at the urging of Britain and US. So, Russia could invade.
Had UK not stupidly trusted politicos from ANYWHERE and kept their nukes they would be in a better position to protect areas like Kiev.
Your assertion above is not proven by a link to any actual Trump statement in any media, other than Zelenksy's assertion. I prefer to wait for Trump to speak for himself. Unless you have a link to prove your assertion as to Trump's stance....
But what fun. The Conversation's article from 2022 as resource in 2024 has entered the thread. Did you know that this 501(c)3 tax exempt "journalism" spends the largest portion of its income on its salaries?
As it says of itself: "Expert knowledge for the public good."
The Conversation Form 990 2021
So one may be assured their view is "expert." < sarc >
As to geopolitics, it is changing very fast these days. It is probably time to prune the use of 501(c)3 allowances for "journalism," given the original notion was for "charitable" activities. The Conversation hides their political side under "science" reporting and the like, and most of its payroll under "Other salaries and wages." Quire 'expertly' disguised.
One persistent U.S. demand is that Ukraine’s territorial integrity be restored. Indeed, the U.S. is party to the Budapest Memorandum in which Russia guaranteed Ukraine’s territorial integrity in return for Ukraine’s transfer of Soviet nuclear weapons to Russia for destruction in accord with U.S.-Soviet arms control agreements. What the U.S. demand ignores is that, under traditional international law, agreements remain valid rebus sic stantibus (things remaining the same). When the Budapest memorandum was signed in 1994 there was no plan to expand NATO to the east and Gorbachev had been assured in 1990 that the alliance would not expand. When in fact it did expand right up to Russia’s borders, Russia was confronted with a radically different strategic situation than existed when the Budapest agreement was signed.
Furthermore, Russians would argue that the U.S. is interested in territorial integrity only when its interests are served. American governments have a record of ignoring it when convenient, as when it and its NATO allies violated Serbian territorial integrity by creating and then recognizing an independent Kosovo. Also, the United Sates violated the principle when it supported the separation of South Sudan from Sudan, Eritrea from Ethiopia, and East Timor from Indonesia.
He’s some kind of propagandist. He’s insistent about the US being an “ally” of Ukraine based on the Budapest Memorandum, which he thinks obligates us to defend Ukraine. Memorandums are not treaties and “security assurances” are not obligations to go to war on Ukraine’s behalf. In 1994 Ukraine was eager to get rid of their nukes, fearing the nuclear cores might meltdown like Chernobyl.
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