Posted on 10/15/2024 10:24:20 AM PDT by george76
Vance highlighted all the things that went wrong with the 2020 election without taking the Democrats’ bait..
The legacy media continues to push Sen. J.D. Vance to say Donald Trump lost the 2020 election, with Martha Raddatz on Sunday’s “This Week” being the latest in a string of interviewers pressing the vice-presidential candidate on that question. While Vance responded as before, that “of course Donald Trump and I believe there were problems in 2020,” the full exchange revealed that the fundamental flaw is in the question — not Vance’s answer.
For a full two minutes during yesterday’s interview, Raddatz demanded Vance say Trump lost the 2020 election. “Why won’t you say that?” she asked, to which Vance replied: “Because, Martha, I believe that in 2020, when Big Tech were censoring American citizens, that created very serious problems.”
“I don’t understand why you won’t just say that you believe it?” Raddatz retorted. “Did Donald Trump lose? That’s the question, and you know that’s the question.”
It was here that an exasperated Vance made his point clear: “Martha, I’ve said repeatedly I think the 2020 election had problems, you want to say ‘rigged,’ you want to say, ‘he won,’ use whatever vocabulary term you want.” What happened, Vance stressed, was the “censoring of fellow citizens in a way that ‘violated our fundamental rights,’” and that was a bigger problem, Vance explained, than what words he used to frame the issue.
This exchange proves key to understanding why Vance refuses to say, “Donald Trump lost the 2020 election,” and why the liberal press continues to demand an answer to that question.
The query includes an undefined term — “lost” — which holds a different meaning to Trump supporters and to the anti-Trump inquisitors.
If “lost” merely meant Biden is the president of the United States, then that’s an easy answer: Yes, of course, Trump lost, as Biden was inaugurated and has spent the last 3.5 years in the Oval Office.
But that’s not what those demanding Vance say Trump lost mean by “lost.” Every person posing this question injects within the concept of “lost” a concession that Trump’s 2020 challenges were frivolous, unfounded, or wrong. That’s why they pose the question and why Vance won’t provide a “yes” — because that is not what Vance and many other American’s believe.
If asked whether Trump “lost” the 2020 election, meaning that if all legal votes were counted and all illegal counts discarded — and the counting was done legally pursuant to controlling election law — the answer by Trump supporters would be a resounding “I don’t know.”
No one can possibly know the answer to that question because in 2020 there were too many election laws violated or ignored, and too many illegal votes counted. But the lawsuits challenging the elections outcomes were tossed as moot once the votes were certified, so there was never a determination on the validity of the tallies, leaving uncertain the accuracy of the election results.
But “lost” can also have a third meaning in this context: Did Trump lose a free and fair election to Joe Biden?
Yesterday Vance answered that question, telling Raddatz, “you want to say ‘rigged’” “you want to say, ‘he won,’ use whatever vocabulary term you want.” The vice-presidential candidate’s closer then cemented the point, stressing that the “censoring of fellow citizens” was such that it “violated our fundamental rights.” In other words, no, Trump didn’t lose a free and fair election to Joe Biden.
Vance in his Sunday interview with Raddatz, as well as in earlier interviews, highlighted as an example of the censorship, the squelching of the Hunter Biden laptop story. The government’s complicity in that censorship, coupled with strong evidence indicating Trump would have won in 2020 had Americans learned the truth about the laptop, confirms Vance’s view that the election was “rigged.”
The censorship of the laptop story, however, was but one aspect of the rigging that took place in 2020, as I previously detailed. A few examples: The 2020 election was also rigged by the “systemic violations of election law” which “disparately favor[ed] one candidate” and “allow[ed] for tens of thousands of illegal votes to be counted.” “And the election was rigged with every illegal drop box placed in Democrat-heavy precincts,” and by the unconstitutional authorization of no-excuse absentee voting and the illegal collection of ballots in nursing homes.
There’s still more: “The election was rigged with every dollar of Zuck Bucks designed to get out the Democrat vote, and with every leftist activist embedded in county clerks’ offices to push such efforts while accumulating untold voter data to the benefit of the Biden campaign.” The election was also “rigged when Georgia rendered the election code’s mandate of signature verifications inoperable and the state court delayed a hearing on Trump’s challenge to the Georgia outcome until after the vote certification, thereby ignoring evidence that more than 35,000 illegal votes were included in the state’s tally — more than enough to require a court to throw out the election.”
So, if by “lost” Raddatz and other members of the legacy press mean Trump lost a free and fair election to Joe Biden, then, the answer is no.
Or, as Vance said, use whatever vocabulary you want: “you want to say ‘rigged’” “you want to say, ‘he won.’”
Vance is right, but Trump’s running mate is also wise to not waste time in debating what “lost” means because the public doesn’t care: What Americans care about is the disaster they are living under the Biden-Harris Administration.
There’s a resurgence of evidence showing up on X. One particular video shows 20k GA votes flipping from Trump to Biden live on CNN.
So what unless the laws have been changed
No court had the guts to HEAR the stolen election evidence. They dismissed the cases, NOT the evidence. They refused to look at the evidence. ~Eric Metaxas.
so true
What continues to astound me is the utter incuriousness of journalists. Since the questions persists after 4 years, perhaps there are facts to be investigated - rather than continue to lobby for submission.
But, then they would have to commit journalism...
Americans deserve to have the answers to safeguard that 2020 never happens again.
Were all the votes legal? If not, then there was a chance the official tally was wrong.
it is not incuriousness ... and they are not journalists ...
Raddatz et al., in dogging Vance to fall in line behind Mike Pence and say Trump “lost” in 2020, are looking for carte blanche to conduct the Mother of All Election Steals in 2024.
With Kamal Harris coincidentally playing, on Jan 6 2025, the same dead hand role Mike Pence played on Jan 6 2021! to certify (lock down) her own fraudulent electoral “win”!
Exactly.
“What continues to astound me is the utter incuriousness of journalists. “
They know d*mned well that there was cheating. And they could not afford to appear that they were not defending THEIR side. Get serious, journalists. You are as transparent as a MSNBC statement.
"There are four lights!"
Of course it would make all those laws he signed questionable and raise the question of the January 6th prosecutions.
NO.
That's just a fact, proven in several different States.
https://x.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1845910687392190617
Insurrection Barbie
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This is my favorite lane of propaganda to debunk. There is no proof that the 2020 election was stolen except:
1. Six states changed their election laws two months before the 2020 election by executive fiat, instead of going through the proper channels in the legislature. That is a violation of their state constitutions and that in and of itself is enough to invalidate the results of the 2020 election.
2. Mark Zuckerberg, hard left, spent $450 million dollars of private money on our elections. After the 2020 election analysis revealed that most of that money went to benefit Democrats.
3. 6 swing states stopped counting the votes on election night for the first time in American history. At the time that they stopped counting the votes, Donald Trump was ahead of Biden in each of them.
4. The unelected tech oligarchs in conjunction with the FBI in this country censored a very important story about Hunter Biden’s laptop and Joe Biden’s corruption. People who worked in the intelligence community, came out and said it was Russian disinformation only to have that laptop be admitted into evidence as part of an FBI investigation and criminal prosecution of Hunter Biden. Polling after the election showed that if people knew about the Hunter Biden laptop story it would’ve changed 17% of the vote.
5. 2,036,041 ballots were touched by anomalies.
6. 923 American citizens filled out affidavits alleging voter fraud, and signed them under penalties of perjury.
7. 50 plus courts blocked evidentiary hearings into the alleged fraud found in 2020.
8. Prior to 2020 there were four other contested elections, one in Florida, one in the 78th district of Missouri, one in the ninth district of North Carolina, and one in the 22nd district of New York. In every single one of those four instances, there was an evidentiary hearing. In the 2020 election, there was no evidentiary hearing. For the first time in American history.
9. No election contest in American history has had 923 fact witnesses sign under penalties of perjury and stake their personal freedom in testimony to attest to the irregularities and legal issues found in various states.
10. 37 states in the United States of America altered their absentee or mail in ballots ballot integrity procedures before the 2020 election.
11. If those 37 states used the same ballot integrity procedures that they used in 2018, swing states would’ve found an upwards of 30,000 more ineligible ballots.
12. In Pennsylvania, counties allowed new ballots to be filled out after the election.
13. Any one of those is enough to say that there was enough fraud in the 2020 election to doubt the outcome. Can I prove Donald Trump would’ve won the election if the Democrats hadn’t cheated? No I can’t prove a counter-narrative, but I can tell you that this amount of fraud leads any reasonable person to the conclusion that Joe Biden didn’t win.
The insurrection therefore was on 11/3/2020.
1/6 was a lawful protest with permits that got out of hand. Unlike Democrats who spent 10 months burning down this country to the tune of $2 billion dollars, and injuring 740 police officers nationwide, the capital riot had a couple million dollars in damages, 140 police officers that were injured and zero deaths. Except the 3 Trump supporters who were unarmed and killed without any investigation by the corrupt government.
Anybody who is clutching their pearls about January 6 without mentioning the fact that there was a large federal presence and many anomalies that have yet to be answered is a liar and a partisan hack.
You sound like an uninformed stage 10 TDS patient who needs to detox from CNN and MSNBC.
You can endorse the cackling communist from California, but don’t you dare pretend like the reason why you’re doing it is because Donald Trump did something wrong.
This is exactly what Ayn Rand referred to as “the sanction of the victim”. Hold fast, J. D.
Free and fair? No way.
2020 was the most FUBAR election in US history... and, that’s saying something. We’ve had plenty of questionable elections.
ONE PARTY (Democrats) opposes every proposal to restore trust in our elections. Who needs 2 months to vote? Why can’t we purge non-citizens, dead people, and people who’ve moved from State voter registration rolls? Why does any State need to mail ballots to EVERYONE on the inaccurate voter rolls without a request? Why is it a must that we have unsupervised “drop boxes” where anyone can deposit any number of ballots at anytime of the day or night?
Having confidence in our electoral process is the BEDROCK upon when democracy is built. If we lose that, we’ve lost all. I can handle being ‘outvoted’. I won’t stand for being ‘out-cheated”.
Let’s not forget Pennsylvania’s twisted handling of election laws.
The 2020 presidential election WAS RIDDLED WITH FRAUD.
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