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What Was Gained by the Ukraine War?
The American Conservative ^ | 10/8/24 | Ted Snider

Posted on 10/09/2024 8:50:20 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970

It was April 2022, and the diplomatic delegations from Ukraine and Russia were meeting in Istanbul just weeks after the Russian invasion of Ukraine had begun. Although there were details—especially on the size of the Ukrainian armed forces after the war and on the nature of security guarantees for Ukraine—to be worked out, a draft agreement had been signed by both sides.

According to the Ukrainian delegation, Putin “demonstrated a genuine effort to find a realistic compromise and achieve peace.” Oleksandr Chalyi, a member of the Ukrainian negotiating team, said, “We managed to find a very real compromise. We were very close in the middle of April, in the end of April, to finalize our war with some peaceful settlement.”

Another member of the team, Oleksiy Arestovych, says that negotiations could have worked and that they were “90 percent prepared.” The Istanbul Communiqué, a Ukrainian summary of the negotiated deal, states that “the parties consider it possible to hold a meeting on… 2022 between the presidents of Ukraine and Russia with the aim of signing an agreement and/or making political decisions regarding the remaining unresolved issues.”

“We opened the champagne bottle,” Arestovych said.

(Excerpt) Read more at theamericanconservative.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: 1000sofdeadrussians; 1000sofdeadukes; americalast; killkillkillforpeace; mic; nato; russia; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; war; welfarewar
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As Mearsheimer predicted at the start of the war, it was Ukraine's NATO overlords who would scuttle any chance at peace.
1 posted on 10/09/2024 8:50:20 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Defense contractors enriched as were politicians by the kickbacks.


2 posted on 10/09/2024 8:53:00 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Dalberg-Acton

“Defense contractors enriched as were politicians by the kickbacks.”

Winner!


3 posted on 10/09/2024 8:54:01 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (‘Never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals’)
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To: EnderWiggin1970
Specifically Boris Johnson.


4 posted on 10/09/2024 8:54:54 AM PDT by McGruff (Ask everyone, Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

And depopulation.


5 posted on 10/09/2024 8:55:35 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: EnderWiggin1970

US military proved that 3 million $$ missiles could shoot down $500 drones on 1 out of three tries.


6 posted on 10/09/2024 8:57:35 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: EnderWiggin1970

It weakened the Russian military more than did decades of the Cold War.


7 posted on 10/09/2024 8:59:15 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: EnderWiggin1970
What Was Gained by the Ukraine War?

(1) The spread and power of GloboHomoPedoNazism,

(2) the Enrichment of the Military Industrial Complex,

(3) the destruction of the American middle class.

8 posted on 10/09/2024 9:01:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Two things; depopulation and creating pools of US taxpayer’s money for the DC criminal cabal to loot it.


9 posted on 10/09/2024 9:03:14 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Raytheon did well, Hunter Biden did well. Two out of 3 ain’t bad


10 posted on 10/09/2024 9:05:20 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Ukraine, Russia, Iran, and Israel all pretty much deserve one another.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Billions in weapon sales?


11 posted on 10/09/2024 9:06:05 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: EnderWiggin1970

NATO is low on war equipment, that’s a plus.
The criminal, leaderless “country” of Ukraine is weakened, that’s a plus.


12 posted on 10/09/2024 9:10:12 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (.You will suffer from one: The pain of discipline or the pain of regret. )
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To: EnderWiggin1970

What Was Gained by the Ukraine War?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDWJzKYfdc


13 posted on 10/09/2024 9:11:18 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Raytheon did well, Hunter Biden did well. Two out of 3 ain’t bad


14 posted on 10/09/2024 9:14:23 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Ukraine, Russia, Iran, and Israel all pretty much deserve one another.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

And while the Ukrainians were being literally executed by the Russian armies the only once profiting besides our corrupt representatives war mongers was that POS Ukrainian dancer and his family who got filthy rich off our taxpayers money! This administration can go straight to hell! NC ONLY GOT $750 if they were lucky enough. I heard FEMA has turned down a lot of families from getting any FEMA relief money! Yes they can go straight to HELL …Biden, cackles, and FEMA! His administration is demonically corrupt!


15 posted on 10/09/2024 9:18:05 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
It weakened the Russian military more than did decades of the Cold War.


In the short term, the war in Ukraine has burned up a lot of Russian military hardware.

In the longer term, the war in Ukraine will strengthen Russia and be a disaster for NATO.

The Russian military was in really bad shape at the start of this conflict and was suffering from severe corruption and incompetence. These problems were exposed and and the Russians are reforming their army into an effective fighting force.

Russia also has been in a defensive posture and has not invested in it's military since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

hat has changed and Russia is re investing in it's military. In 5-10 years, we will regret the Russian military reforms that we are responsible for putting in motion.

16 posted on 10/09/2024 9:18:59 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Russia the biggest threat to world peace is being cut down to size. We are all safer for it. The resolution of the Russian situation leaves everybody in a better place.


17 posted on 10/09/2024 9:28:10 AM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

It weakened the Russian military more than did decades of the Cold War.
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If you believe Senile Joe’s narrative, well…..be aware Vlad’s military has been increased to 1.5 million, his economy experiencing a historic manufacturing rise, and he continues to make $$$ billions in energy.

…all the while the collective West goes further into bankruptcy and depletes their military supplies…best part? Vlad is learning how to defeat the western “ wonder “ weapons, which we are witnessing.


18 posted on 10/09/2024 9:38:53 AM PDT by delta7
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To: SaxxonWoods

NATO is low on war equipment, that’s a plus.
The criminal, leaderless “country” of Ukraine is weakened, that’s a plus.
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A good lesson for our war cheerleaders. Hopefully NATO will be disbanded ( most likely when Turkey leaves NATO) and thrown into the trash bin of history.

As for Ukraine, they have been decimated. “ Rebuilding “ an impossibility- depleted manpower, crushed economy, crushed grid, crushed infrastructure, bankrupt ( yes their Rada already started defaulting on their debt payments)….who in their right mind will come up with almost $$$1 trillion to rebuild?

The talk of slicing up what’s left and giving back to Poland, Hungary and Romania their land seems to be the best option.


19 posted on 10/09/2024 9:46:26 AM PDT by delta7
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“NATO is low on war equipment, that’s a plus.”

This is just exactly what you would expect from someone who follows Martion Armstrong.


20 posted on 10/09/2024 9:52:46 AM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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