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1 posted on 09/22/2024 5:40:43 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

We can at least thank Ronald Reagan for indexing our Social Security and income taxes to inflation.


2 posted on 09/22/2024 5:48:42 AM PDT by microgood
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To: ChicagoConservative27
$35.327646622839 trillion national debt will continue to grow no matter who wins the race for the White House.

Well, ya think.

The point isn't (at this point at least) to stop the debt from growing but to slow its growth.

Kamala doesn't even understand what the National Debt is or where it comes from.

3 posted on 09/22/2024 5:49:43 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Stop the bleeding and balance the budget. That would be the first step.


6 posted on 09/22/2024 6:02:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

They’ll monetize at first, then there is no option but to repudiate it.

And your existing dollars will be exchanged for a New Dollar at some large discount.

Likely 50%.

And the entire world will burn.


9 posted on 09/22/2024 6:10:37 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The perspective is correct. The current crop of politicians, here as in Europe, have no idea what to do about "living on a credit card." They are all likely elderly teenagers. Meanwhile the powers-that-be want the reality of "perpetual bonds" to be our future. Pay and pay and pay with no chance of getting out of debt.

An Overview of Perpetual Bonds

Some "perpetual bonds" were used to finance the 20th century wars, and of course today's reality is the financing of these last decades of war and more war.

Perpetual bond

This is why the text of our founding documents is so important. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

from the Declaration of Independence

One watches the American Left and RINOs defend corruption and perpetual debt, such that it will become the "duty" -- as the Declaration" states is ours -- "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

This predicts a time when "throwing off" will come. With it will also come the abrogation of the debt, as has happened in governments of all sorts in past centuries. Who will cry out in anger? Those receiving the "rent" on the perpetual bonds. They were and will always be a small group. Degrow government.

10 posted on 09/22/2024 6:15:06 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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What an astute observation! No wonder he has billions of dollars!


11 posted on 09/22/2024 6:18:51 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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National debt = $ 220 Trillion. = US federal debt plus the states and local debt .

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4258075/posts


12 posted on 09/22/2024 6:23:01 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Federal Government discontinued all high-denomination bills in July of 1969, including the $500 dollar bill, $1,000 dollar bill, $5,000 dollar bill, $10,000 dollar bill, and $100,000 dollar bill. They were then taken out of circulation.

Bring back these.

Pay off the National Debt in hyper inflated Federal Reserve Notes.

Do I have to tell these guys how to do everything?

13 posted on 09/22/2024 6:23:42 AM PDT by null and void (Don't hallucinate and legislate, don't hallucinate and educate, don't hallucinate and procreate)
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If someone could cut, slash, and hack at all the waste, there might be progress.

MANY programs and pet projects would need to be gutted thought.

Starting with the DoE and welfare type subsidies, especially to non-citizens, would go a long way.


15 posted on 09/22/2024 6:27:51 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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Oh, we’re never paying that off. Even if there was an earnest effort to do so where all parties were on board, that’s an immense task. Now, throw in political division and stupid democrat/leftist fiscal policy along with the fed’s misguided monetary policy.

Yeah, it’s a matter of when, not if, something catastrophic occurs.


18 posted on 09/22/2024 6:45:29 AM PDT by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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It is, unfortunately, 'doable' as long as the drachma, er, denari, er, dollar reigns supreme.

The only thing preventing the dollar collapse is the lack of an alternative. The yuan is a joke (and proof the Chinese are a confucian joke on themselves). Currently the only alternative flight is gold, but which is hard to spend, and thus is almost always converted in and out of dollars. #facepalm

Crypto is also almost always resolved in dollars, even when it is used to purchase goods (or Democrats, SBF-style), but if someone made a stable crypto that was fractionable into a useful daily currency that Joe Sixpack and Manual Laborez could use, and accept as payment (avoiding taxation), and spend thusly in the same manner, watch out.

19 posted on 09/22/2024 6:47:52 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The debt is going to be cancelled.

If you are on the usury side, make sure your bags are packed.


24 posted on 09/22/2024 7:08:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I slightly disagree with Dalio. When and IF grown men, accustomed to dealing in huge amounts of debt all day every day, get back in charge of the federal government, here are a few things that would/could happen:

1. All debts to the US government by SOME individuals and companies and SOME countries would be an offset to the debt. (meaning effectively that “recourse” against the federal government is wiped out; for example, a bank holding a student loan loses his federal government guarantee but can still go against the student that borrowed the money; same against countries and companies).
2. China’s huge debt to the US would be declared an offset and charged to China to be paid back in trade taxes over many years.
3. Like bankruptcy, “classes of debt” would be prioritized. For example, unsecured debt created/incurred by the US government for the Covid 19 give aways contained a high degree of fraud so that debt will be relegated to the lowest priority (effectively junk debt) than debt secured by.....say....... first liens on prime real estate.
4. Like bankruptcy, the federal government would be compelled to sell off certain assets.
5. What’s left would be financed over 30-100 years.

Anybody that has gone through a bankruptcy (I haven’t) would be familiar with the foregoing. When the time comes, a 2/3 majority in both houses and a willing president will have to create by legislation a special bankruptcy court for the US government. This will allow shifting of blame to the court and get the legislators off the hook. Once in bankruptcy court, and out of the hands of politicians, judgments will start to happen and some will be VERY painful to the debt holder and most assuredly to the American taxpayer. The goal will be to distribute the pain and not let any breathing American off the hook. To get to that point, Congress and the President have to relinguish control of debt liquidation to a bankruptcy court.

The CENTRAL question is will there ever be a moment in US History when grownups take control of the federal government again?


28 posted on 09/22/2024 7:32:29 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: ChicagoConservative27

We are Venezuela, intentionally betrayed by both sides of the aisle at the mandatory request of those who own them and us. Plan accordingly.


35 posted on 09/22/2024 7:47:28 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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Argentina, Greece, Venezuela, the United States. Four peas in a pod.


41 posted on 09/22/2024 8:00:48 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (.)
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The Fed has been printing money to purchase the debt, trying to keep interest rates down. Just look at the money supply chart under Biden.

They are going to collapse our government and our currency at the same time.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FDHBFRBN

https://www.pgpf.org/

The Federal Reserve, which purchases and sells Treasury securities as a means to influence federal interest rates and the nation’s money supply, is the largest holder of such debt. https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/Fed-Holdings-Chart-2022.jpg

45 posted on 09/22/2024 8:36:51 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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Invest in survival food, building materials and ammunition. Lots and lots of ammo. It will be worth its weight in gold when the collapse comes.


46 posted on 09/22/2024 8:41:36 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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Buy physical gold. Every chance you can. Jewelry, coins, bars. If you can find some beneath your feet in your back yard, mine it and hold it.


47 posted on 09/22/2024 9:03:46 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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The only way out is to Abolish the Third Central Bank just like Andrew Jackson Abolished the Second Central Bank and PAID OFF the National Debt for the only time in History. Banish the Den of Vipers to HELL!!!


50 posted on 09/22/2024 10:47:49 AM PDT by eyeamok
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Actually, it can be dealt with by:
1. dedication of the federal income tax of all persons making more than the highest federal employee salary
2. a sales tax levied on corporate sales
3. dedication of the corporate income tax
4. a federal financial account tax with age-based personal exemptions.


55 posted on 09/23/2024 4:36:11 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (Don't vote to be a tax slave on Kamala's plantation.)
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