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At 2 Elite Colleges, Shifts in Racial Makeup After Affirmative Action Ban {Amherst and MIT}
New York times ^ | 30th August 2024 | Anemona Hartocollis and Stephanie Sau

Posted on 08/30/2024 9:50:56 PM PDT by Cronos

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To: Chode

“getting in is one thing, staying there another...”

Sometimes getting in is not the problem. Quite a few years back Texas A&M(?) was being chastised by the Clinton FedGov because of the lack of blacks in the racial mix of the student body. It turns out that the problem was not the number of set-asides for minority students that the university had in place. It was because there were not enough black applicants to claim a set-aside. The truth was that even if a black couldn’t qualify for admission there was a good chance that they would be accepted just to fill a spot. Of course once accepted the FedGov was happy. The fact that many did not get to their sophomore year was irrelevant.


41 posted on 08/31/2024 3:44:56 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Cho Bi Dung and KamalHo are not my leaders.)
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To: FLT-bird

What we need is a means for people to acquire an education through other means than the school system. There are people who can run rings around university graduates because they have a love of knowledge in their area of interest, However, because they did not graduate from a formal school of education, they can’t monetize it.

In my view, schools should only be teaching and not qualifying anybody. The professional college and trade unions should be responsible for qualifying people, because their reputation depends upon having qualified workers who can do the job and the professional colleges and trade unions don’t want to lose their reputations because they are rubber stamping unqualified people into the work force.


42 posted on 08/31/2024 3:45:27 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: Cronos

They have to stop focusing on skin color and admit it boils down to culture.


43 posted on 08/31/2024 3:53:28 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Cronos

The horror of accepting students based on merit must scare the hell out of the left.

Hopefully these institutions start actually teaching the students vice indoctrinating them and that would eliminate the stupidity of the left, men would remain men and women would remain women and common sense would return.


44 posted on 08/31/2024 4:07:55 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: ByteMercenary

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45 posted on 08/31/2024 4:26:49 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Cronos

In other news, students who had no business being in some colleges will no longer take spots of students more academically qualified.


46 posted on 08/31/2024 4:31:43 AM PDT by MissEdie (Be the Light in Someone's Darkness.)
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To: Cronos

Take your DEI and shove it up your wazoo.
Try doing better in school
Best and brightest regardless of race or religion.


47 posted on 08/31/2024 4:38:52 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Kimber .45 Be Kind.)
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To: Wallace T.
There is a downside to ending affirmative action. The universities of this country are by and large Marxist indoctrination centers. You will have a higher percentage of white and Asian students getting brainwashed with Communist ideology, vs. Hispanics and blacks. Other than ethnicity, nothing has changed. A few days ago, I read where a New York couple had to hire a deprogrammer at $300 per hour to straighten up a daughter who had gone to Mount Holyoke College.

There is a way to fix that. Keep the existing rules in place except expand "diversity" requirements for faculty and administrators to include diversity of thought. So.....how many gun toting, red MAGA hat wearing, proud and openly Nationalist Trump voters do we have among the faculty and admins? What's that? 1 in 10 or 1 in 20? Wellll then.....We'll need to impose a quota until it is at least 50/50. Effectively that will mean "Leftists need not apply" for any faculty or admin jobs at Universities for at least a generation.

There is no diversity anywhere near as important as diversity of thought.

48 posted on 08/31/2024 4:54:54 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Cronos

Wow. The NY Times is utterly innumerate. (Numerically illiterate) Dropping from 11% to 3% Black is not an 8% drop; it’s more than 70%.


49 posted on 08/31/2024 4:55:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Cronos

Meritocracy is so oppressive. /s


50 posted on 08/31/2024 4:58:21 AM PDT by Zman ("Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."--- Joseph Goebbels)
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At 2 Elite Colleges, Shifts in Racial Makeup After Affirmative Action Ban


51 posted on 08/31/2024 5:03:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Cronos

Hopefully the ackarepubmic standards of sfhools will be going up now on an indirect proportionate but definateable direct basisnate .


52 posted on 08/31/2024 5:04:03 AM PDT by Recompennation (Don’t blame me my vote didn’t count)
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To: Chode
i’d like to see the numbers on blacks dropping out simply because the material in 101 level classes was way over their heads

Well, with anti-white admissions policies comes an end to objective assessments.

No one who is getting straight "A"s is going to drop out just because they don't comprehend the material.

53 posted on 08/31/2024 5:09:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Admitting and turning out are two different events


54 posted on 08/31/2024 5:18:25 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: Jim Noble

nope, not if they aren’t paying they wont...


55 posted on 08/31/2024 5:19:27 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: SunkenCiv

But black students who got in can be proud that they did it on merit and not because of the color of their skin.


56 posted on 08/31/2024 5:19:46 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people avoid it.)
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To: Cronos

Leftist whining.


57 posted on 08/31/2024 5:24:28 AM PDT by yldstrk
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To: Cronos

I will always believe my middle son was a victim of affirmative action (being white that is). His high school record was stellar - 9th in his class out of 350, all A’s, all AP classes, 1480 SAT, a top musician playing tenor sax in New England, won multiple awards, leadership roles in school clubs, etc. But he got rejected by MIT, Brown, and Cornell. He was accepted at other elite schools and is doing just fine, but his disappointment at the time was tough.


58 posted on 08/31/2024 5:28:05 AM PDT by strider44
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To: Cronos

Or another way of looking at it. People who deserve the slots based on ability and achievement are getting them again.


59 posted on 08/31/2024 5:36:41 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost
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To: Cronos

Let the weeping and gnashing of teeth begin at all the leftist “think tanks” and pressure groups.


60 posted on 08/31/2024 5:51:51 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (“Giving money & power to government is like giving whiskey & car keys to teenage boys” P.J. O’Rourke)
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