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Ukrainian defense minister tells CNN ‘I hope we were heard’ after presenting list of targets inside Russia to US officials
CNN via Yahoo ^ | August 30th, 2024 | Michael Conte and Oren Liebermann, CNN

Posted on 08/30/2024 5:24:10 PM PDT by Mariner

Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov told CNN the Biden administration is still considering his request to lift restrictions on Ukraine using long-range weapons to strike deeper inside Russian territory and confirmed he’d presented a list of targets in meetings with senior officials in Washington on Friday

“We have explained what kind of capabilities we need to protect the citizens against the Russian terror that Russians are causing us, so I hope we were heard,” Umerov said in an interview with CNN’s Alex Marquardt on “The Situation Room.”

Despite repeated requests from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the US is not currently expected to loosen restrictions on Ukraine’s use of long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS).

“You’ve heard us say that the Ukrainians can use US security assistance to defend themselves from cross-border attacks, in other words counterfire. But as it relates to long-range strike, deep strikes into Russia, our policy has not changed,” said Pentagon press secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder on Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: bozomaximus; escalation; killkillkillforpeace; mic; russia; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; weapons; welfarewar; zeepersthrilled
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It's unlikely Harris or Trump will even take a meeting with these crazy bass turds.

And it's good to see the Pentagon finally speaking up beyond the politically correct meme.

The US military will not allow an escalation that causes a direct military confrontation with Russia, no matter what Victoria Nuland and Tony Blinken say.

State is writing checks the Pentagon does not want to cash.

1 posted on 08/30/2024 5:24:10 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

They can’t fly F16’s without getting them shot down.

Negatory Zalensky

The pattern is full


2 posted on 08/30/2024 5:27:11 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Mariner

I think this is more about making money in the short term through Ukraine for business interests and harming Russia and especially China in the long term as economic competitors.

And that may mean trying to avoid direct military confrontation.


3 posted on 08/30/2024 5:28:42 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: Mariner

4 posted on 08/30/2024 5:31:54 PM PDT by McGruff (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Mariner

I doubt even “Biden” is going to cross that line because everyone knows it will be American weapons, using American targeting data and manned by American operators. Even that is a bridge too far for the current administration.


5 posted on 08/30/2024 5:32:16 PM PDT by tballard56
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To: Mariner

Ukraine should be presenting peace plan with Russia.

If USA attacks Russia then it will be the last world war, no?

These Ukrainians are corrupt morons.

Their military acts like the Black Knight in Monty Python.

It’s only a flesh wound.


6 posted on 08/30/2024 5:32:51 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: FlyingEagle

They are desperate and perfectly willing to take the world down with them.


7 posted on 08/30/2024 5:34:40 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov told CNN the Biden administration is still considering his request to lift restrictions on Ukraine using long-range weapons to strike deeper inside Russian territory”

For those that do not understand the lexicon - Ukraine is simply UNABLE to effectively use long-range missiles without the US providing the following:

1. Real-time information as to the value of a target. In other words, Ukraine won’t get much value out of landing a bunch of missiles at a Russian air base...if all the jets had already departed and moved elsewhere.

2. Real-time information on the locations of Russian air defense assets and the optimal routing of missiles to avoid those defenses.

3. Most likely the actual programming of the Western missiles will be done by Westerners, as training the Ukrainians on using them opens up all kinds of additional possibilities, none of them good, regarding an expanded conflict.

So the word “permission” in this context means effectively Western nations striking Russian targets, in Russia and Western militaries will likely not like what that leads to.


8 posted on 08/30/2024 5:35:37 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Mariner
The US military will not allow an escalation that causes a direct military confrontation with Russia, no matter what Victoria Nuland and Tony Blinken say.

What "direct military confrontation with Russia"? Ukraine is not asking for US military personnel and its not a decision by the US military but by the weak Biden admin.

They are asking for permission to use ATACM and Storm Shadow missiles against Russian military airfields, that already have been used against Russian bases in Crimea.

This same weak Biden admin was even against Ukraine attacking Russian oil refineries.


9 posted on 08/30/2024 5:42:13 PM PDT by tlozo (Russia is ruled by a psychologically deranged dictator and worst of all, it obediently follows)
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To: tballard56

Biden was vacationing at the beach today.

Then he shuffled off to his home to sit on his couch with a bowl of Ensure pudding and a warm blanket.

Whoever is president probably doesn’t want to become a plasma as hot as the sun just over some breakaway oblasts on the other side of the globe.


10 posted on 08/30/2024 5:47:15 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: tlozo

“This same weak Biden admin was even against Ukraine attacking Russian oil refineries. “

What POTUS, previous or current, or even future would allow US weapons to be used to strike deep into Russia?

It would be contrary to US policy since the end of WWII.


11 posted on 08/30/2024 5:48:23 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“Hello, hello, hello…Is anyone there?…hello, hello, hello…click, click, click”

The PERFECT 10 second phone call from Z to the White House.


12 posted on 08/30/2024 5:49:37 PM PDT by hardspunned (Look for the“Putin Stooge” libel, news from Ukraine you’ve gradually grown to trust over 30 months)
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To: BobL
Most likely the actual programming of the Western missiles will be done by Westerners, as training the Ukrainians on using them opens up all kinds of additional possibilities, none of them good, regarding an expanded conflict.

Do you ever get tired of posting Russian lies? Ukraine has been operating the US M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, which launches HIMARS and ATACMS in Ukraine for years. No "Westerners" are involved.

13 posted on 08/30/2024 5:50:20 PM PDT by tlozo (Russia is ruled by a psychologically deranged dictator and worst of all, it obediently follows)
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The only thing Ukraine has been operating is shooting their own aircraft and holding pedo parades in Kiev kiev
14 posted on 08/30/2024 5:53:26 PM PDT by pigeoninthepark
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No "Westerners" are involved.

You're full of it.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4261840/posts?page=8#8

15 posted on 08/30/2024 5:55:42 PM PDT by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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To: Mariner

Russia is weak. Its army fake and Potemkin. Unable to stop the first invasion of Russia since WW2. Dear Leader Putin is as impotent as Obama when fantasy “red lines” are crossed. Pay no attention to gaslighting Kremlin Bolsheviks and their useful fools trying to suggest otherwise.


16 posted on 08/30/2024 5:58:58 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: kiryandil; BobL

What they really want are JASSMs and Tomahawks.

Or, is it Tridents and Minuteman?


17 posted on 08/30/2024 6:02:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: lodi90

” Unable to stop the first invasion of Russia since WW2.”

Many have gone in, few have come back out.


18 posted on 08/30/2024 6:03:51 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: lodi90

“Two days to Moscow! The Ghost of Kiev will save us any day! Crimea tomorrow!”


19 posted on 08/30/2024 6:05:56 PM PDT by pigeoninthepark
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To: Mariner

When should we expect the flagship Moskva back up from the bottom of the Black Sea? Russia is weak, corrupt and broken. Saved from total defeat only by the continued financial support of Russia’s Marxist WEF globohomo partners and their fellow travelling allies on the right.


20 posted on 08/30/2024 6:09:30 PM PDT by lodi90
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