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Ukraine Defies the U.S. to Launch a Showy Offensive Into Russia
The Tablet ^ | August 18, 2024 | Vladislav Davidzon

Posted on 08/28/2024 4:21:09 AM PDT by jacknhoo

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Money Quote:

"What changed in July is that the Ukrainians, like other embattled U.S. allies, were faced with a new opportunity in Washington: The cognitively impaired president had been forced out of his reelection bid in favor of his vice president, who was now out on the campaign trail, three months before the election. With this emergent power vacuum at the White House, the Ukrainians decided to bypass both the deposed occupant of the White House as well as the staff of his hypercautious National Security Council, instead of slowly bleeding to death under rules guaranteed to produce slow-motion defeat."

The world is taking advantage of the vacuum, ever since the 2020 election was stolen.

1 posted on 08/28/2024 4:21:09 AM PDT by jacknhoo
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The overall expeditionary nature of this conflict for both sides will not end well.

Very foolish behavior, too much bluster, and too much blood has spilled. Impaling younger generations on each others weaponry will ultimately lead to nothing but a senseless waste.


2 posted on 08/28/2024 4:35:19 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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Yep, the Ukrainians used their extensive satellite assets, world-wide communications assets, and God knows what else to effectively pick the spot, the timing, and the routes of the attack to be exactly where the main Russian army was not. They also secretly moved half of their Western weapons 500 miles to the west and hid them in the woods without being detected by anyone in the US, plus several dozen (or maybe hundreds) of US and other Western soldiers to operate those systems by telling them they were in Odessa or something...

...and the US never had a clue. Yep.

Yep.


3 posted on 08/28/2024 4:39:50 AM PDT by BobL
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Too much to read. Did they use our weapons? It might be the timing. Trump can’t arrive fast enough. Russia needs him more than Zelensky.


4 posted on 08/28/2024 4:52:42 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: jacknhoo

Review


5 posted on 08/28/2024 4:57:12 AM PDT by sauropod ("This is a time when people reveal themselves for who they are." James O'Keefe Ne supra crepidam)
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To: jacknhoo

Of course NATO does not want either side to win. They are making too much money from this war.

Besides, NATO has not won a war in its entire existence. The US has not won a war since the 1940s.

Everything has been half measures, mixed results or withdrawals that result in going back years later (Iraq).

The sad truth is that the greatest superpower in the world is incapable of decisive victory, which should be the objective if a nation decides to deploy forces into combat.


6 posted on 08/28/2024 5:17:21 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: jacknhoo

All BS. The US/NATO run this proxy war. Zelensky does what he is told. Biden is oblivious to what is going on in Ukraine and elsewhere. The same cabal that has been running the US since 2021 runs the war in Ukraine. There is no power vacuum.

Now that the war is going badly, the US is trying to distance itself from the results. It is similar the recent revelation that Ukraine was solely responsible for blowing up the Nordstream pipelines. Deep State is manipulating us with disinformation and gaslighting. They want us to believe that Zelensky has gone rogue.

The stage is being set for some sort of negotiated settlement or ceasefire before Nov 5. Or at least the removal of Zelensky. Ukraine has become a growing liability for the Dems. It reminds me of Carter and our hostages in Iran. Everyone knew that if Reagan was elected, the hostage crisis would be over. If Trump is elected, the war in Ukraine will end thru a negotiated settlement. Russia, Ukraine, and the rest of NATO know it. The Ukrainian incursion into Russia was just to get leverage in the coming negotiations. It is not working hence the US distancing itself from the results.


7 posted on 08/28/2024 5:18:02 AM PDT by kabar
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I do not believe that Ukes acted without US approval. The b_tards want a 3rd WW.

We have NO business there and NATO is incapable of winning a war without USA.

If the internal and external Traitors to the USA were not in power. None of this would have happened.

The globalist pukes internal and external can go to Hell.


8 posted on 08/28/2024 5:45:31 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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For the record........ what is a “globalist” you so fervently eschew?


9 posted on 08/28/2024 5:47:22 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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And Moscow did not use its "extensive satellite assets, world-wide communications assets, and God knows what else to effectively pick the spot".
10 posted on 08/28/2024 5:53:26 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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People who support the Cabal behind the Great Reset and related crap. It is all about great wealth to them.

☭Dem’s, Socialists, Communists, Fascists, Corpratists, WEF, World Bank, NATO leaders, Islamists, etc.

There is a vast pool who wish the USA to FALL.

It is out duty to prevent that.


11 posted on 08/28/2024 5:56:20 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: jacknhoo

Everything about senile Joe’s Ukie war stinks, everything. Vegetable Head Joe and our Congress owns this debacle- not one learned from Senile Joe’s Afghanistan debacle, this Ukie one signals our downfall, as we are witnessing.


12 posted on 08/28/2024 6:07:23 AM PDT by delta7
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Don’t blame them. If they know US support is going to dry up and that they will be forced to “negotiate” with Putin they are going to need leverage to get their own territory back.


13 posted on 08/28/2024 6:14:43 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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Lets get real. If there was a raging war in Ukraine and Russia there would be wall to wall coverage on the nightly news with live action views. Journalists would be embedded and we would have play by play yet none of this is happening. This is all gaslighting to distract from what is going on here at home.


14 posted on 08/28/2024 6:23:06 AM PDT by Slingwing
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If Trump is elected, the war in Ukraine will end thru a negotiated settlement. Russia, Ukraine, and the rest of NATO know it. The Ukrainian incursion into Russia was just to get leverage in the coming negotiations. It is not working hence the US distancing itself from the results.

Hmmm....

If you were to be right, it sounds like Zelensky and Trump have been secretly talking about the way forward, where Ukraine takes Russian territory to balance what Russia has taken, and then, negotiations would take place where both sides declare victory and head back home, and the war ends with all sides saving face.

Smart on the side of Trump, if that's the case where Zelensky had secret talks with Trump.

Yeah, I took the liberty to read things into your comments and then expanded them to something that you probably didn't mean. So, correct me if I'm wrong.
15 posted on 08/28/2024 6:25:05 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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“And Moscow did not use its “extensive satellite assets, world-wide communications assets, and God knows what else to effectively pick the spot”.”

Good point - sounds like a trap.


16 posted on 08/28/2024 6:56:44 AM PDT by BobL
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Just for fun, look at this massive invasion on a map, then zoom out. It’s a tiny meaningless move. And they’ll be paying for it. It’s an amateur PR stunt last gasp with no air support.


17 posted on 08/28/2024 7:01:14 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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“The current offensive has seen detachments of elite, battle-hardened Ukrainian battalions deployed, backed by air power, ”

Really now? I haven’t seen any stories of Ukrainian Air Force operating in Russia in support of this border crossing. And also, you have to be a special kind of stupid to think the United States didn’t know about this. We are in the BRITs were eyeballs deep in the planning and intelligence of it. The idea that America knew nothing about it is just a plausible deniability game.


18 posted on 08/28/2024 7:20:51 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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I think it’s silly to pretend that DC and London were not fully in the loop.


19 posted on 08/28/2024 7:23:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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And they’ll be paying for it

Yup, now Russia might bomb apartment buildings, schools, playgrounds, and shopping malls with kinetic missiles, or even use white phosphorus ...

How will Ukraine possibly survive that?!

/sarc


20 posted on 08/28/2024 7:25:17 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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