NASA's Plan B: Why SpaceX Is Completing Boeing's Starliner Mission

WSJ explores what went wrong and what this failure could mean for Boeing.

Chapters:
0:00 SpaceX stepping in
0:38 Starliner mission
2:58 Starliner origins
4:04 SpaceX's Crew Dragon
5:09 What this means for Boeing.

Transcript
· SpaceX stepping in
0:00 · (upbeat music)
0:01 · - [Narrator] Two NASA astronauts, Sunita Williams,
0:04 · and Barry Wilmore,
0:05 · who traveled to the International Space Station
0:07 · on an eight day mission,
0:09 · could now end up staying there for over eight months
0:11 · because of problems with Boeing Starliner spacecraft.
0:15 · To add insult to injury,
0:16 · NASA announced that the crew will return to earth
0:18 · on a spacecraft from Boeing's competitor SpaceX
0:21 · in February of 2025.
0:23 · - There's just a lot of uncertainty
0:25 · about what happens to the Starliner program.
0:27 · - You know, this might not look good right now,
0:29 · but we don't know the end of it yet.
0:32 · - [Narrator] Here's a breakdown of Boeing's Starliner Saga
0:35 · and what it could mean for the aerospace giant.
· Starliner mission
0:38 · - Boeing has faced a lot of technical challenges
0:41 · with developing this vehicle all the way back to,
0:44 · you know, 2019.
0:46 · - [Announcer] One, ignition and lift off of Starliner
0:51 · and Atlas Fine.
0:52 · - [Narrator] When Starliner did finally take off
0:54 · on June 5th,
0:55 · more technical problems disrupted the flight.
0:57 · - [Michah] There are two main kind of buckets of problems
1:01 · that came up during Starliner's flight
1:03 · to the International Space Station.
1:04 · One relates to thrusters that are used
1:07 · to maneuver the spacecraft.
1:09 · A handful of them temporarily failed
1:11 · as the vehicle was docking, you know,
1:14 · with the space station.
1:16 · And then the second bucket of problems are helium leaks.
1:19 · Helium is used to pressurize the the propulsion system
1:23 · and NASA and Boeing discovered several leaks
1:27 · on board that system, you know, during the flight.
1:30 · - [Narrator] The crew did manage to arrive
1:32 · at the International Space Station safely.
1:34 · - And followed shortly behind by commander
1:37 · of Starliner Barry Wilmore.
1:39 · - [Narrator] But Starliner's problems
1:40 · raised concerns at NASA.
1:42 · The agency talked about returning Starliner
1:44 · as early as June 14th,
1:46 · but NASA delayed the return several times.
1:49 · On August 7th NASA said that the return date could be pushed
1:53 · to February, 2025.
1:54 · - NASA has been debating risk basically
1:59 · and how much risk does Starliner pose
2:03 · to the astronauts, Barry Wilmore or Sunita Williams?
2:08 · I'm not sure that NASA has had to make a call,
2:12 · make a decision in the face of uncertainty
2:14 · about a human space flight program
2:16 · with humans on orbit and human lives potentially at stake
2:19 · in a really long time.
2:21 · - [Narrator] In early August,
2:22 · NASA said it was considering tapping SpaceX
2:25 · to ferry the astronauts back home.
2:27 · SpaceX didn't respond to a request for comment.
2:30 · - Boeing has said, just sort of simply put
2:33 · that Starliner is ready to go
2:35 · and the the data supports using Starliner
2:39 · to take the two astronauts back to back to earth.
2:42 · NASA has been in this kind of intense, you know,
2:46 · one leader there recently too
2:49 · called it vigorous like debate about the risks
2:52 · that Starliner may pose to the two astronauts
2:55 · if it is used to ferry them back to earth spacecraft.
· Starliner origins
2:59 · - [Narrator] Long before this current Starliner mission,
3:01 · the spacecraft development was dogged by problems.
3:04 · - Boeing has been working on Starliner
3:06 · for more than a decade,
3:07 · and the program has been beset, you know, with delays.
3:12 · (engine roaring)
3:12 · - [Announcer] Lift off.
3:13 · - [Narrator] Starliner was born out of the end
3:15 · of NASA's space shuttle program in 2011.
3:18 · Shortly after that, the agency hired Boeing
3:20 · and SpaceX to each independently develop spacecraft
3:24 · to ferry astronauts to and from the Space Station.
3:26 · - NASA wanted to have two different American companies
3:29 · to basically back each other up.
3:31 · If something happens with, with one company,
3:34 · the other could be right there to continue the flights,
3:37 · continue the missions, continue the science.
3:40 · - You never want to just have one option, you know,
3:42 · that's what we found with the space shuttle way back when,
3:45 · you know, when we had the first accident,
3:47 · there was a lot put into one vehicle.
3:49 · So it having a second option is really important
3:52 · and we're seeing it now
3:54 · because even though we're having some issues
3:56 · and delays with the Starliner,
3:58 · we're still able to at least carry on
4:00 · the operations of the Space Station
4:02 · by using the Crew Dragon.
· SpaceX's Crew Dragon
4:04 · - [Narrator] Boeing's struggles with Starliner
4:05 · contrasts sharply
4:06 · with the development of SpaceX's Crew Dragon,
4:09 · - [Michah] SpaceX has now flown
4:11 · nine different missions for NASA
4:13 · that includes their test flight.
4:15 · You know, a few years ago, Boeing has flown half, you know,
4:20 · call it half of one,
4:21 · I mean, they've taken astronauts up to the Space station,
4:24 · no easy feat, but have not, you know, brought them back yet.
4:28 · - I think right now it's a tough time for Boeing.
4:30 · There's no doubt about it.
4:32 · Maybe it makes it a little harder,
4:33 · at least the optics of it,
4:34 · because the perception now is that, you know,
4:37 · SpaceX is running things splendidly, you know,
4:39 · they're having a lot of success
4:41 · and I think it's, the game's not over yet.
4:43 · - [Narrator] When NASA selected Boeing
4:45 · and SpaceX to develop the Starliner
4:47 · and Crew Dragon Spacecrafts,
4:49 · the agency signed fixed price agreements
4:51 · with each contractor.
4:52 · - The company and NASA agree to a number,
4:55 · and then it's up to the company to come up with a way
4:59 · to stay under that number.
5:00 · The idea is you're incentivizing your contractor to,
5:05 · you know, perform well so they can make some money.
· What this means for Boeing
5:09 · Boeing has struggled financially with Starliner.
5:14 · They've disclosed more than 1.4 billion in charges
5:18 · or losses related to the program,
5:21 · and there, there's some real questions about like whether
5:24 · the company is gonna ever, you know, see any return
5:29 · from years and years of investment.
5:32 · - [Narrator] That NASA has now turned to SpaceX
5:34 · to complete the mission is a tough outcome for Boeing,
5:37 · which has deep ties to NASA
5:39 · that date to the Apollo moon landings.
5:41 · - If you look back at executive commentary from Boeing,
5:44 · you know, years ago, folks there thought
5:46 · that they would be first
5:47 · that Boeing would beat SpaceX
5:49 · to transport NASA astronauts to and from
5:52 · the International Space Station.
5:54 · And it obviously has not worked out the way, they,
5:57 · many executives and leaders
5:59 · at Boeing thought it would,
6:02 · it kind of signals a changing of the guard
6:03 · in the space industry.
6:05 · - Yeah, it's not all roses, you know,
6:06 · you have ups and downs.
6:07 · That's the way life is.
6:09 · And I think from the experience I've had as an astronaut,
6:12 · I think it's really the mark of a good team
6:14 · to be able to recover from that,
6:16 · and how do you recover from that adversity?
6:18 · So I think it's an opportunity for Boeing.
6:20 · They didn't plan this, they didn't want this to happen.
6:22 · They much rather have brought them home in eight days.
6:24 · Okay, next, you know, and move on.
6:26 · But that didn't happen that way.
6:27 · - We'll be happy to go back home when
6:29 · it's our time to go back home.
6:31 · - But you can't do this on earth.
6:34 · So this is, this makes it special.
6:37 · - [Announcer] Barry, Sunny, we're looking forward
6:39 · to welcome you back here on Earth.

There is an interview with Mike Massimino about this on CNBC, that one popped up first on the Roku YT app, but that clown that anchors is such a dip**** all the time, and he kept talking about a fuel leak -- it isn't a FUEL leak, *******! Anyway, this WSJ one came up as a related vid, and Mass is on this one briefly.

A ton of very bad publicity recently for Boeing.

And deservedly so.

I consider those astronauts lucky to have made it to the ISS.

Note to self: Don’t fly into space on a Boeing.

I didn’t know that Boeing had any reputation left.

Hey, a bad reputation is still a reputation! :^)

Boeing has been ripping off Americans for generations and now their lack of performance is catching up to them. I hope they fire every weasel in management and promote the engineers to company management. Anything less and Boeing will die unmourned.

Hey Boeing, how are those Diversity and Ivy League hires working out for you??

Do you have any regrets yet for getting rid of all the REAL ENGINEERS???

Boeing = Dumbass Woke Management

Saw this at Eatgrueldog...

As BFT notes, the flying into space on a Boeing worked just fine. But it’s been pretty clear since they managed to survive that and dock with the ISS that the craft was unfit to reentry with live people aboard. I said as much, uh, uh-oh...

[rustling sound]

Wow, going back in my posting history is a lot of work.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4252321/posts?page=9#9

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4255256/posts?page=7#7
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4255256/posts?page=14#14
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4255256/posts?page=25#25
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4255256/posts?page=26#26

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4256560/posts?page=23#23

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4258080/posts?page=42#42

https://freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;q=quick;s=starliner

Ah, finally:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4245500/posts?page=21#21
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4246126/posts?page=4#4

LOL, this is a good one from teeliner:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4246934/posts?page=2#2

Dial 1-800CALLELON

Oh, that explains this Amazon order...

Shouldn’t have sent the Trashcan in the first place

No. It wasn’t ready for manned flight.

You know what sucks?

Two astronauts will get bumped from the next Crew Dragon flight to make room for Butch and Suni. No offense to them; just that Boeing’s DEI clusterfrack has consequences.

I hope they try to bring it back, unmanned, to see it it will make it.
Be curious to know...Boeing says its flyable...NASA says no.

another Boeing product related to the Artemis project also failed, part of the launch system I believe.

I am very surprised that Elon hasn’t built and stored a rescue rocket that could be readied in a day or two for just such an occasion.

NEXT YEAR???????????????????

OVER 4 months FROM NOW????????????????????

Transcript
	·	SpaceX stepping in
0:00	·	(upbeat music)
0:01	·	- [Narrator] Two NASA astronauts, Sunita Williams,
0:04	·	and Barry Wilmore,
0:05	·	who traveled to the International Space Station
0:07	·	on an eight day mission,
0:09	·	could now end up staying there for over eight months
0:11	·	because of problems with Boeing Starliner spacecraft.
0:15	·	To add insult to injury,
0:16	·	NASA announced that the crew will return to earth
0:18	·	on a spacecraft from Boeing's competitor SpaceX
0:21	·	in February of 2025.
0:23	·	- There's just a lot of uncertainty
0:25	·	about what happens to the Starliner program.
0:27	·	- You know, this might not look good right now,
0:29	·	but we don't know the end of it yet.
0:32	·	- [Narrator] Here's a breakdown of Boeing's Starliner Saga
0:35	·	and what it could mean for the aerospace giant.
	·	Starliner mission
0:38	·	- Boeing has faced a lot of technical challenges
0:41	·	with developing this vehicle all the way back to,
0:44	·	you know, 2019.
0:46	·	- [Announcer] One, ignition and lift off of Starliner
0:51	·	and Atlas Fine.
0:52	·	- [Narrator] When Starliner did finally take off
0:54	·	on June 5th,
0:55	·	more technical problems disrupted the flight.
0:57	·	- [Michah] There are two main kind of buckets of problems
1:01	·	that came up during Starliner's flight
1:03	·	to the International Space Station.
1:04	·	One relates to thrusters that are used
1:07	·	to maneuver the spacecraft.
1:09	·	A handful of them temporarily failed
1:11	·	as the vehicle was docking, you know,
1:14	·	with the space station.
1:16	·	And then the second bucket of problems are helium leaks.
1:19	·	Helium is used to pressurize the the propulsion system
1:23	·	and NASA and Boeing discovered several leaks
1:27	·	on board that system, you know, during the flight.
1:30	·	- [Narrator] The crew did manage to arrive
1:32	·	at the International Space Station safely.
1:34	·	- And followed shortly behind by commander
1:37	·	of Starliner Barry Wilmore.
1:39	·	- [Narrator] But Starliner's problems
1:40	·	raised concerns at NASA.
1:42	·	The agency talked about returning Starliner
1:44	·	as early as June 14th,
1:46	·	but NASA delayed the return several times.
1:49	·	On August 7th NASA said that the return date could be pushed
1:53	·	to February, 2025.
1:54	·	- NASA has been debating risk basically
1:59	·	and how much risk does Starliner pose
2:03	·	to the astronauts, Barry Wilmore or Sunita Williams?
2:08	·	I'm not sure that NASA has had to make a call,
2:12	·	make a decision in the face of uncertainty
2:14	·	about a human space flight program
2:16	·	with humans on orbit and human lives potentially at stake
2:19	·	in a really long time.
2:21	·	- [Narrator] In early August,
2:22	·	NASA said it was considering tapping SpaceX
2:25	·	to ferry the astronauts back home.
2:27	·	SpaceX didn't respond to a request for comment.
2:30	·	- Boeing has said, just sort of simply put
2:33	·	that Starliner is ready to go
2:35	·	and the the data supports using Starliner
2:39	·	to take the two astronauts back to back to earth.
2:42	·	NASA has been in this kind of intense, you know,
2:46	·	one leader there recently too
2:49	·	called it vigorous like debate about the risks
2:52	·	that Starliner may pose to the two astronauts
2:55	·	if it is used to ferry them back to earth spacecraft.
	·	Starliner origins
2:59	·	- [Narrator] Long before this current Starliner mission,
3:01	·	the spacecraft development was dogged by problems.
3:04	·	- Boeing has been working on Starliner
3:06	·	for more than a decade,
3:07	·	and the program has been beset, you know, with delays.
3:12	·	(engine roaring)
3:12	·	- [Announcer] Lift off.
3:13	·	- [Narrator] Starliner was born out of the end
3:15	·	of NASA's space shuttle program in 2011.
3:18	·	Shortly after that, the agency hired Boeing
3:20	·	and SpaceX to each independently develop spacecraft
3:24	·	to ferry astronauts to and from the Space Station.
3:26	·	- NASA wanted to have two different American companies
3:29	·	to basically back each other up.
3:31	·	If something happens with, with one company,
3:34	·	the other could be right there to continue the flights,
3:37	·	continue the missions, continue the science.
3:40	·	- You never want to just have one option, you know,
3:42	·	that's what we found with the space shuttle way back when,
3:45	·	you know, when we had the first accident,
3:47	·	there was a lot put into one vehicle.
3:49	·	So it having a second option is really important
3:52	·	and we're seeing it now
3:54	·	because even though we're having some issues
3:56	·	and delays with the Starliner,
3:58	·	we're still able to at least carry on
4:00	·	the operations of the Space Station
4:02	·	by using the Crew Dragon.
	·	SpaceX's Crew Dragon
4:04	·	- [Narrator] Boeing's struggles with Starliner
4:05	·	contrasts sharply
4:06	·	with the development of SpaceX's Crew Dragon,
4:09	·	- [Michah] SpaceX has now flown
4:11	·	nine different missions for NASA
4:13	·	that includes their test flight.
4:15	·	You know, a few years ago, Boeing has flown half, you know,
4:20	·	call it half of one,
4:21	·	I mean, they've taken astronauts up to the Space station,
4:24	·	no easy feat, but have not, you know, brought them back yet.
4:28	·	- I think right now it's a tough time for Boeing.
4:30	·	There's no doubt about it.
4:32	·	Maybe it makes it a little harder,
4:33	·	at least the optics of it,
4:34	·	because the perception now is that, you know,
4:37	·	SpaceX is running things splendidly, you know,
4:39	·	they're having a lot of success
4:41	·	and I think it's, the game's not over yet.
4:43	·	- [Narrator] When NASA selected Boeing
4:45	·	and SpaceX to develop the Starliner
4:47	·	and Crew Dragon Spacecrafts,
4:49	·	the agency signed fixed price agreements
4:51	·	with each contractor.
4:52	·	- The company and NASA agree to a number,
4:55	·	and then it's up to the company to come up with a way
4:59	·	to stay under that number.
5:00	·	The idea is you're incentivizing your contractor to,
5:05	·	you know, perform well so they can make some money.
	·	What this means for Boeing
5:09	·	Boeing has struggled financially with Starliner.
5:14	·	They've disclosed more than 1.4 billion in charges
5:18	·	or losses related to the program,
5:21	·	and there, there's some real questions about like whether
5:24	·	the company is gonna ever, you know, see any return
5:29	·	from years and years of investment.
5:32	·	- [Narrator] That NASA has now turned to SpaceX
5:34	·	to complete the mission is a tough outcome for Boeing,
5:37	·	which has deep ties to NASA
5:39	·	that date to the Apollo moon landings.
5:41	·	- If you look back at executive commentary from Boeing,
5:44	·	you know, years ago, folks there thought
5:46	·	that they would be first
5:47	·	that Boeing would beat SpaceX
5:49	·	to transport NASA astronauts to and from
5:52	·	the International Space Station.
5:54	·	And it obviously has not worked out the way, they,
5:57	·	many executives and leaders
5:59	·	at Boeing thought it would,
6:02	·	it kind of signals a changing of the guard
6:03	·	in the space industry.
6:05	·	- Yeah, it's not all roses, you know,
6:06	·	you have ups and downs.
6:07	·	That's the way life is.
6:09	·	And I think from the experience I've had as an astronaut,
6:12	·	I think it's really the mark of a good team
6:14	·	to be able to recover from that,
6:16	·	and how do you recover from that adversity?
6:18	·	So I think it's an opportunity for Boeing.
6:20	·	They didn't plan this, they didn't want this to happen.
6:22	·	They much rather have brought them home in eight days.
6:24	·	Okay, next, you know, and move on.
6:26	·	But that didn't happen that way.
6:27	·	- We'll be happy to go back home when
6:29	·	it's our time to go back home.
6:31	·	- But you can't do this on earth.
6:34	·	So this is, this makes it special.
6:37	·	- [Announcer] Barry, Sunny, we're looking forward
6:39	·	to welcome you back here on Earth.