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‘He Has To Clean That Up’: CNN Panel Calls For ‘Apology’ From Tim Walz About Misstating Military Rank
Daily Caller ^ | Aug 22, 2024 | Jason Cohen

Posted on 08/23/2024 10:02:37 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

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As I understand Walz was "frocked" as a CSM. I'd like to see an LES (leave earning statement) from during that time to see if he was ever paid as an E9.
1 posted on 08/23/2024 10:02:37 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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“each advocated for Walz to take ownership of his misstatements”

They’re not misstatements - they’re premeditated lies.


2 posted on 08/23/2024 10:32:28 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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I'd like to see an LES (leave earning statement) from during that time to see if he was ever paid as an E9.

No, he achieved the position of an E9, but not the rank of E9, because he didn't achieve the educational and training requirements of a sergeant major. He was paid as an E8 while in the position of Minnesota National Guard Sergent Major.

3 posted on 08/23/2024 10:38:39 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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Anyone not fully with the leftists would be given *zero* opportunities to correct a lie.


4 posted on 08/23/2024 10:43:25 PM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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despite allegedly not completing the requirements.

What is alleged about it? The Minnesota Army National Guard has the records to prove it. Walz was reduced in rank at retirement. His commanding officers all acknowledge that it happened.

-PJ

5 posted on 08/23/2024 10:48:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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6 posted on 08/23/2024 10:52:17 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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He was paid as an E8

That is exactly what I believe, but I want to see a copy of the LES to show he is a lying SOB.
7 posted on 08/23/2024 10:55:47 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Drain the Swamp. Build the Wall.)
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But if Walz identifies as a retired command sergeant major, then all is good, no?

Regards,

8 posted on 08/23/2024 11:12:24 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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yes and no.

He was promoted and/or frocked to CSM. Was he ever paid at that rank?

If he was ever paid as an E9 he might have a case. But if was never paid as an E9 he is a lying SOB.


9 posted on 08/23/2024 11:24:14 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Drain the Swamp. Build the Wall.)
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I think that you overlooked my sarcasm.

What I, as a civilian, don't understand is: Why?

95% of all ordinary citizens (voters) have no idea about any possibly differences between a "Sargeant Major" and a "Command Sargeant Major." It would have zero influence upon our voting behavior.

So why would he bother "inflating" his rank?

If I claim that I am an "Emeritus Adjunct Professor" rather than an "Associate Professor" - who cares (except for that tiny fraction of the population who knows the difference)?

Regards,

10 posted on 08/23/2024 11:33:02 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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The top of the enlisted rank structure is the three E9’s, master gunnery sergeant, sergeant major, or sergeant major of the Marine Corps if he had completed additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy. But he never was an E9 due to the failure of that course work.

If he was the ranking enlisted member of the unit for a while if there were no E9’s at the site, he could have filled the position to do the work only. It doesn’t constitute a promotion. So it is possible he was working in the position, but was not the rank to be a permanent E9. Happens all the time especially with deployments and paperwork. This is one of the reasons so many troops get a promotion and immeditely get a PCS, permanent change of station. So he is not being up front with the grade even if he was doing the work. He didn’t qualify for E9. So if he said he was, even though he did the work, he’s lying.

wy69


11 posted on 08/23/2024 11:34:12 PM PDT by whitney69
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If I claim that I am an “Emeritus Adjunct Professor” rather than an “Associate Professor” - who cares (except for that tiny fraction of the population who knows the difference)?

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Interesting, and good point.

1) Perhaps Walz doesn't understand that, and after being in the NG, thinks it is just common knowledge that the rank is more important?

2) Perhaps some deep-seated psychological thing for Walz (daddy issues?) that he has to lie to himself on how important he is?

3) Maybe the CCP pays their agents based on the rank they hold in the USA?

4) He is a pathological liar, and lies about EVERYTHING!

12 posted on 08/23/2024 11:43:46 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant - Never Fearful)
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It was lying, not mis-stating. He probably did get paid as CSM for a while when he was still active, but he knew his retired-CSM was never effective because he never completed the full requirements to remain CSM. He is a retired E-8.

Further, an apology is not going to “enhance” his status - that’s just wishful CNN thinking.


13 posted on 08/23/2024 11:57:47 PM PDT by Gaffer
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No, he didn’t get E9 pay. He was frocked, which means he got to wear the E9 insignia conditionally, but not the pay. He failed to complete the conditions for E9 so he was demoted once he cut and run. It’s wrong for him to go around claiming he’s a retired E9. That is deceptive.


14 posted on 08/24/2024 12:17:41 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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I served in the roll of a leading first class PO in the navy. Although, I wasn’t the senior first class in the division. I didn’t introduce my self as the leading 1st because there’s no extra pay or regard given other than responsibility of the position. I was E-6 and so was the lazy azzhole who couldn’t do the job. I served in the Vietnam era. I’ve never been there. Submarines didn’t operate up the rivers there. I am not a Vietnam Vet. It’s a matter of truth, honesty, and honor. Walz is a liar. IMO.


15 posted on 08/24/2024 12:22:13 AM PDT by Equine1952
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Okay...thanks for the info. Sounds like he really was just ‘selected’ for the ranking but, as you say, not official. It is LYING, then IMO.


16 posted on 08/24/2024 12:23:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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The bottom line is that at his level he knew and knows better than to go around touting that CSM stuff. It’s lying.

[USAF 68-76, 6 years 11 months OCONUS]


17 posted on 08/24/2024 12:27:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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True. Thanks for your service. We survived. Some didn’t. May they all RiP. Regards. 71 to 78. MM1(SS).


18 posted on 08/24/2024 12:33:07 AM PDT by Equine1952
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To: 21twelve
Interesting, and good point.

Thanks!

I'm "out of the loop" and so just "spit-balling," here. Also don't want to tread on anyone's toes who thinks that I am belittling the concept of "stolen valor" by suggesting that, for much of the population, "Command Sergeant Major" vs. "Sergeant Major" is a "distinction without a difference."

My theory: The distinction looms large in Walz's imagination. He's not doing it to impress anyone else or to garner votes; rather, he's a narcissist doing it because, to him, it's important.

Regards,

19 posted on 08/24/2024 3:15:29 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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He was frocked, which means he got to wear the E9 insignia conditionally, but not the pay.

Does anyone here know if the term brevet is still current in military parlance?

I've heard of "Brevet Colonels" and "Brevet Captains" - but a "Brevet Command Sergeant Major?!"

Regards,

20 posted on 08/24/2024 3:20:42 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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