To: Bobbyvotes; adorno
Bobbyvotes
The only reason Ukraine is such disaster because Zelensky was pushing for NATO membership. bobby, do read historical facts for the past 16 years:
- Putin in the early 2000s was making noises that he wanted the USSR back together, that he didn't consider Ukraine a "legitimate country" etc. etc.
- Ukraine applied to join NATO in 2008 alongside Georgia
- France and Germany rejected this request "for fear of provoking Putin"
- six weeks after the rejection by NATO, Putin invaded Georgia -- arguably he would NOT have invaded Georgia if Georgia's request to join NATO had been accepted by France and Germany
- fast forward to 2014 - Ukraine has not re-applied to join NATO, but Putin sends in his troops and grabs Crimea AND the Donetsk and Luhansk peoples' republics
- Ukraine now clearly see's that it can only survive if it is in a defensive alliance - just as Estonia, Latvia etc. did in 2004 and Finland saw in 2023
Putin's threats are what has pushed his neighbors to join NATO.
65 posted on
08/09/2024 9:21:30 AM PDT by
Cronos
(I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
To: Cronos
Putin's threats are what has pushed his neighbors to join NATO.
Careful now. You're going to be branded a neocon and a Zeeper.
But, I'm pretty sure that the anti-Ukraine/anti-NATO posters already know what Putin's goals are, but their hate is more about how the former and current leaders in Ukraine were/are corrupt and how they aided Biden and others to get millions from shady deals, and it's also about how some in Ukraine and democrats in the U.S. colluded to accuse Trump of crimes (like that famous phone call).
Regardless, Putin is the criminal and the aggressor and the invader, and he should be the one being condemned.
78 posted on
08/09/2024 10:49:49 AM PDT by
adorno
(CCH)
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