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To: hardspunned

Trump is right.


7 posted on 06/21/2024 8:31:50 PM PDT by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: nonliberal

Ukraine should have never given up their nuclear missiles when the Soviet Union collapsed. They could not defeat the Soviet Union in a nuclear exchange but would have made such a no go for the Russia of today due to mass destruction. They gave them up do to promises by the West to defend them. We lied.

I would like to blame this on Biden but it is not him. This goes back to Bush and Clinton and the second Bush. The only way to have guaranteed Ukraine autonomy at that time was inclusion to NATO or arming them with nuclear weapons which they gave up do to promises by the West. As mentioned, we lied.

If the cost of war is to great one does not go to war. This whole damn war is a result of ignorance of the West. This should have never happened.


25 posted on 06/21/2024 8:56:59 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: nonliberal
Can't say I know of a case where he's wrong.

Even if I don't like what he says, he's usually right.

In this case, it's almost obvious, but there are folks that want to pretend like the cause is something else.

Usually they start rambling about some Soviet Empire, call anyone disagreeing with them a communist, discard any fact that goes against them as “propaganda,” and make claims about some Russian conquest of Europe or their former republics which are not even remotely feasible/possible given Russia's military and economic capabilities.

But, when it's “reason vs. emotions,” guess what usually wins?

Trump is right, of course, but he needs to be careful not to alienate folks which are generally on his side.

Ukraine is literally a “stupid war.”

An incredible loss of wealth and life, that was entirely unnecessary, predictable, and avoidable.

—The average Ukrainian has not benefited from this war.

—The average American has not benefited from this war. Tell me how I am more wealthy, free or safe now? In fact, things are more dangerous, and this war is burning up our wealth.

—No one can really provide a viable national security argument for why we had to expand NATO into Ukraine as we did.

Insane!!!

This war is either the Biden administration making another gross policy mistake and causing a war accidentally out of bad judgment (bet big on a weak hand in a gamble), or being outright evil and doing it intentionally.

I truly hope that I am wrong and that we didn't do this intentionally to weaken Russia. If that is the case, we made a real scumbag move by playing Ukraine and all those lives as expendable pawns in a Geo-political chess game.

But whatever the case may be, we need to end this lunacy.

47 posted on 06/21/2024 9:54:31 PM PDT by Red6
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