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1 posted on 06/20/2024 4:07:34 PM PDT by karpov
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Thank you for referencing that article karpov. Note that the following critique is directed at the article an not at you.

"Trump’s Tariff Trap. Replacing income taxes with tariffs doesn’t pencil out."


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Consider that Thomas Jefferson had noted that the federal government was originally totally funded by tariffs that the rich paid on imported goods. (Constitutional Convention delegates that were wealthy, maybe their wealthy friends too, seem to have put their money where their mouths were.)

The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied [emphasis added]. … Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.” —Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

Militia readiness aside, one of the very few main peacetime expenses that the states expressly gave to the constitutionally limited power Congress was to run the US Mail Service.

In other words, most of today's federal domestic spending is based on stolen state powers and stolen state revenues uniquely associated with those powers as shown below.

Democratic and Republican patriots need to get hopeful Trump 47 and the new Constitution-respecting Congress that they support him with in November up to speed with unconstitutional federal taxing and spending, a consequence of generations of abuse of 16th Amendment powers (direct taxes) by corrupt Congress imo.

Once unconstitutional federal taxing and spending is stopped, hopefully “permanently” with a repeal of the 16th and 17th Amendments, then Trump might have a good opportunity to run the constitutionally limited power federal government with the tariffs on imports that Jefferson had mentioned.

33 posted on 06/20/2024 5:29:04 PM PDT by Amendment10
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How quaint, thinking about pencils for $34T +. In debt


34 posted on 06/20/2024 5:32:16 PM PDT by combat_boots
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Well, replacing income tax for sales tax! Tariffs are kind of VAT, but applying to foreign made products only.
I like it!


37 posted on 06/20/2024 6:00:42 PM PDT by AZJeep
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NeoCON free traitor globohomos say tariffs are bad because muh corporations can’t exploit cheap 3rd world labor - news at 11.


39 posted on 06/20/2024 6:32:20 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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This is all moot as congress will never go along with it.


40 posted on 06/20/2024 6:56:17 PM PDT by Revel
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Tariffs worked pretty good up until Woodrow Wilson got in.


41 posted on 06/20/2024 7:01:08 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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But our present tax structure “pencils out” to your satisfaction????


42 posted on 06/20/2024 7:22:20 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so bad that the government can not make worse)
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Outside the military maybe, hundreds of thousands of fedgov employees, armies of bureaucrats are not needed. They’re choking off the American people and it only grows. Send them into the private sector to actually learn a skill so they can be productive.


46 posted on 06/20/2024 10:16:55 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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That’s another thing if Xiden steals 2024: Taxes will skyrocket to further finance illegals and terrorism


47 posted on 06/20/2024 11:56:48 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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Trump’s Tariff Trap. Replacing income taxes with tariffs doesn’t pencil out.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

BUahahahahahahahaha.

Under Trump America would more than double its GDP.

THe author stupidly assumes that is not the case even when faced with the historical evidence of the effect of Trump’s economic policies.This i s utter propaganda.

Social Security will be “saved” because of that fact of a doubled GDP. And whats more, the figures on substituting tarrifs for taxes are much more viable.

Let Chbina and others pay for our givernment funding....we have paid for theirs for over 40 years.


48 posted on 06/21/2024 2:11:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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It was an idea. It was not a policy provision. It’s like the idea, can we ship metal to earth from asteroids?
Personally, I’d like to end the income tax. To me it’s a violation of privacy protected in the constitution, it’s easily manipulated and burdensome, and it requires enormous time and effort. Get rid of it.


49 posted on 06/21/2024 3:56:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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Since the DC Brainiacs’ “penciling” to date has led to a $35 Trillion deficit, try the tariff solution AND then fire all the basturds.
50 posted on 06/21/2024 6:55:47 AM PDT by Chgogal (To paraphrase Biden: You vote Democrat? Then you ain't smart.)
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Yet, there’s an even bigger flaw in Trump’s plan. Government spending as a share of GDP is approximately 22 percent. Import spending as a share of GDP is 14 percent. To fully cover federal outlays

That's not a flaw. Government spending needs to be tun in half. Several agencies I could name need to be defunded and dismantled.

53 posted on 06/21/2024 8:11:48 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to kill us. Plan to avoid this.)
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Since the Modern Monetary proponents say that deficits don't matter, let's just drop income taxes altogether and just run deficits.

What could possibly go wrong?

54 posted on 06/21/2024 8:15:08 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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But reducing goobermint back to within it's Constitutional limits and end career politicians would. The endless wars to enrich the career politicians and billions upon billions in foreign aid kickback schemes to line their pockets should also cease.

56 posted on 06/21/2024 10:34:22 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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