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3 weeks before Oct. 7, IDF Gaza Division warned of Hamas plan to attack, take 250 hostages
Times of Israel ^ | 6/17/24 | TOI Staff

Posted on 06/17/2024 3:56:56 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie

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I don't claim to understand Israeli politics or governance. And, I generally support the conservative movement in Israel led by Netanyahu.

However, I believe it is time for Bibi to fall on his sword, resign, and call elections. He is ultimately responsible for failing to heed the many warnings of the coming attack. Whether he personally knew of the warnings has not been established to my knowledge, but that is also irrelevant. It is his responsibility to run a whole government that protects its citizens. He failed. Time for new leadership. In my opinion.

(Standing back for the incoming rounds ...)

1 posted on 06/17/2024 3:56:56 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: Uncle Miltie

Those who knew the warnings and didn’t act on them need to be tried and executed.

There can be nothing more treasonous to a country than leaders who allow the people they are supposed to protect suffer this kind of atrocity.

That goes for ANY country.

Can someone say *9/11*?


2 posted on 06/17/2024 4:00:04 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: Uncle Miltie

It sure sounds like this thing wasn’t an intelligence failure, which is a good thing.


3 posted on 06/17/2024 4:00:51 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: Uncle Miltie

BiBi is hated by the left in Israel just like Trump is hated here by the deep state..they have the deep state in Israel as well. I believe this entire thing was known about in advance but BiBi was never warned so he could be blamed for it. You had a festival overlooking the Gaza border, these were leftists who were partying, that is why it was held there, for them to show their peace with Gaza, people who lived nearby reported weeks in advance how they would see people training for something late in the night and it was ignored, they would say “Oh come on, Hamas doesn’t have the ability to do anything significant” Hamas showed them and made the Mossad look like fools


4 posted on 06/17/2024 4:05:34 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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However, I believe it is time for Bibi to fall on his sword, resign, and call elections. ... Whether he personally knew of the warnings has not been established to my knowledge, but that is also irrelevant.

I've asserted that elements within the IDF could not have been ignorant of this plot. I've also stated since 10/8 that this smacked of an attempt to undermine the Israeli government and weaken it from within.

Now you're suggesting the answer is to undermine the government and severely weaken Israel, 'Mr. generally'.

Very interesting...

5 posted on 06/17/2024 4:07:11 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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This is well-known and was known soon after Oct. 7.

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/idf/conceptzia-idf-knew-about-the-hamas-attack-but-generals-ignored-the-reports/2023/11/26/


6 posted on 06/17/2024 4:07:47 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: metmom

can some one say mass importation of illegals murdering stealing etc crime and use of tax payer monies which most taxpayers likely don’t agree with?

plenty of passed examples but it’s happening now too!


7 posted on 06/17/2024 4:09:00 PM PDT by b4me
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To: metmom

Let us not forget that 9/11 was facilitated by elements within our own government (as well, as I’ve long asserted)...


8 posted on 06/17/2024 4:09:10 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I fear An election now would almost certainly mean non hardliner Liberal favored by globalists would “win”. Bibi may have dropped the ball here but if it’s used take him down we won’t like what comes next.


9 posted on 06/17/2024 4:11:46 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Sarah Barracuda

It was Military Intelligence headed by Aharon Haliva and Shin Bet headed by Ronen Bar that arrogantly botched it. Mossad does not have responsibility inside Israel or the territories.


10 posted on 06/17/2024 4:13:30 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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As you may know, I’m an extremely strong Israel supporter, and an extremely conservative guy. I’d like to see the next conservative leader win and form an even stronger government.

So please refrain from suggesting that I’m here to undermine Israel’s conservative movement. I’m not. I think they can be strengthened by admitting mistakes were made, and bring forth new strong leadership with which to destroy hamas.

Bona fides available in my tagline.


11 posted on 06/17/2024 4:16:29 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Israel, in order: https://freerepublic.com/tag/unclemiltieadventure/index)
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However, I believe it is time for Bibi to fall on his sword, resign, and call elections. He is ultimately responsible for failing to heed the many warnings of the coming attack.

It appears that the Intelligence agencies were too busy with political maneuvering to bother paying attention to HAMAS attack rehearsals, let alone making a case to Netanyahu that there was at attack pending.

The people who should be thrown on a sword are in those agencies.

12 posted on 06/17/2024 4:17:01 PM PDT by flamberge (It turns out that you can fool most of the people, most of the time.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

The title is awful. Misleading.

They were not warned about them taking 250 hostages.

There might have been some warning, not specific. But a broad warning. But I am unsure if I really believe this.

Just take the article with a grain of salt.

TF


13 posted on 06/17/2024 4:23:47 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: metmom
it was done on purpose....I've been told that Israeli security is so good it could detect a bird flying over its borders....

purposefully...

so maybe the "myth" about TPTB trying to rid Gaza of its people and to build a new canal, larger, more direct than the Suez might be true...

nothing happens without a purpose.

14 posted on 06/17/2024 4:27:56 PM PDT by cherry
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“Those who knew the warnings and didn’t act on them need to be tried and executed.”

In order to make any judgement we need to understand the total environment. How many “warnings” are received or issued in any given month? If it’s dozens and few, if any, come to fruition, that’s one scenario. If, as is implied by the reporting, it was just this one and there was plenty of backup, that’s another scenario. But the nature of intelligence is you are NEVER 100% sure of anything. Apparently, there were plenty of warnings about 911 and nobody acted on them. Did they even get to someone who could have acted? I think not. There’s something called “normality bias.” Because something has never happened before, it won’t happen. That’s a very human failing. One reason that stronger measures were not undertaken years before 911 is because they’d have cost huge amounts of money and been very unpopular, probably leading to election losses. So, since the danger had never occurred before it was politically necessary to assume it never would occur.

As for replacing Netanyahu, I do understand something about Israeli politics. I worked for an Israeli company for several years and got the inside scoop from a dozen employees. Whoever replaces Netanyahu will almost certainly have to do the opposite of whatever he was doing, and I think his solution, as imperfect as any solution to an unsolvable problem is, is the only one that will be optimal. He needs to carry it to the logical conclusion, whatever that turns out to be.


15 posted on 06/17/2024 4:30:09 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: cherry

I drove gaza to Eilat. Ain’t gonna be a canal anywhere down there.


16 posted on 06/17/2024 4:30:38 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Israel, in order: https://freerepublic.com/tag/unclemiltieadventure/index)
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To: metmom

yes 9:11, but more current is the Border with millions marching straight into the USA and the gov. not doing a thing to protect our citizens. I guess when they get to our doors maybe we will decide to complain. I think it might be cool for the J6 group to march down there and tell the invaders to turn around. Yeah, just dreaming.


17 posted on 06/17/2024 4:30:52 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Uncle Miltie

If it can be shown that Bibi himself was warned and ignored it I’ll agree with you. If his intel services were warned and didn’t tell him, they need to be prosecuted.

L


18 posted on 06/17/2024 4:31:18 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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I hear you. We differ.

Israel is united in purpose, Destroy Hamas.

Israel is vastly divided by politics. The liberal minority cannot back Bibi because they think he’s at fault, and dragging out the war to retain power. I disagree, but see a clearer way to re-unite the country: Get the false issue of Netanyahu out of the way but for a real reason: his government made a huge mistake. Then re-elect Likud to shut the leftists up.

But hey! I’m not Israeli and plead ignorance to many things. That’s just how I see it.


19 posted on 06/17/2024 4:40:20 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Israel, in order: https://freerepublic.com/tag/unclemiltieadventure/index)
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There were also surprise inspections three days before the attack. ALL IDF outposts failed their inspections. Again, nothing was done. So, after eight months, the buck finally stops on Bibi’s desk? Netanyahu has been responsible for everything that has occurred from 10/SIX forward.


20 posted on 06/17/2024 4:42:11 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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