There Are No Civilians in Gaza

Frontpagemagazine ^ | June 11, 2024 | Daniel Greenfield

[SJackson]

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[SaxxonWoods]

As Joe would say, “Not a joke!”

[silverleaf]

Well, Rome showed the world what is necessary to destroy a culture….visit Carthage

[Tom Tetroxide]

There are over two million members of Hamass in Gaza. How do you stop thay?

[SJackson]

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[dfwgator]

Yeah just like those “Good Germans” at the end of WWII.

[T.B. Yoits]

The same group saying "They're all terrorists. No exceptions."

Is also saying "Let's send them to the United States."

[SJackson]

Yeah just like those “Good Germans” at the end of WWII.

Interesting book on that topic, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 Interviews in the early 50s with ten non distinctive Germans who were members of the Nazi Party. Reminiscent of Marge Schott's comment, Everything you read, when he came in he was good. They built tremendous highways and got all the factories going. He went nuts, he went berserk. I think his own generals tried to kill him, didn’t they? Everybody knows he was good at the beginning, but he just went too far.

My guess most of Gaza feels the same way. If this ends badly for them, Hamas just went a little too far.

[rockvillem]

Sobering analysis you simply will never, ever find in the mainstream media. When the truth conflicts with The Narrative - they’ll report the Narrative.

[iontheball]

Dan’s use of two words together says it all - Islamic terrorists. No one can separate one from the other. This means that Islam teaches barbaric brutality on all humanity. Though Islamists have a preference to brutalize kafirs or infidels at will, they will also brutalize each other without logical or sane explanation - witness killing of their own children for transgressions. If this stark realization does not sink in to the civilized world, we will return to the Dark Ages.

[sauropod]

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[Phlyer]

And it is time to fight them on their own terms instead.

So we all become baby killers, deliberately and cheerfully? That cure is worse than the disease.

The Muslims who attacked on October 7th are despicable, and it is certainly true that they are supported by the general population in Gaza. There are no civilians.

But becoming despicable ourselves (or through our agents, the Israelis) is not a solution.

What is the solution? One distinction between 'us' (meaning, those with Western values) and 'them' (meaning those with barbaric values), is that for us killing non-combatants (which includes those who are not really civilians) is never the goal. It happens, and successful 'Western-values' militaries don't let that fact handcuff them into ineffectivenss, but it's still never the goal. But the Muslims think all Western-values militaries are cowards because they bomb their enemies from high-flying airplanes without giving the enemies the opportunity for 'honorable' combat.

Conversely, Muslims see no distinction between deliberately targeting non-combatants - including children - and targeting combatants. Capturing non-combatant women is especially 'good' because once a woman is 'under your hand' you can rape her with the blessing of Mohammed (and therefore of Allah). As long as it is done 'one-on-one' where the opponent can see you and has a theoretical chance to fight back, then it's 'honorable.'

The solution is as the Israelis did to stop the suicide bombers.
1) Control access very carefully. Body searches at checkpoints.
2) If someone does succeed in becoming a suicide bomber, destroy his home (typically an apartment building) and leave every other person living in that building homeless. The Israelis failed on both elements on October 7th, but the key is that the response is deliberately personal (putting the other residents of the building on the street). That is the way to make the other residents reject Hamas. Right now, there is no penalty (in Gaza) for supporting Hamas, and a lot of penalties if you do not. The penalty for support has to become higher than for non-support.

The specific application here is that the buildings that housed the recently-rescued hostages need to be demolished. Buildings that housed/hid tunnel entrances or weapon stockpiles need to be demolished. No two stones standing one upon the other.

Then let the Qatari pay to rebuild.

Of course, that's not possible with Biden standing by to throw our money at the Muslims (less his 10%).

[rmlew]

The same group saying "They're all terrorists. No exceptions." Is also saying "Let's send them to the United States."
The author of this piece isn't. You are quite deluded

[Dick Vomer]

And it is time to fight them on their own terms instead.

So we all become baby killers, deliberately and cheerfully? That cure is worse than the disease.

Just a question. How many "babies" did we kill in Tokyo, Dresden, Cologne, Nagasaki, Hiroshima....?

Respectfully, you might consider reading a little history. Do you think any "kids" were killed in the American Civil war? How about 9 year olds, 10 year olds? From combat, disease, starvation? you know... from war.

“Historians estimate that anywhere between 250,000 and 420,000 boy soldiers, many in early their teens or even younger served in the armies of the Union and the Confederacy between 1861 - 1865... Some 15 percent were seriously wounded or died from battle wounds, diarrhea, infections or malnutrition.” Emmy E. Werner, Reluctant Witnesses: Children’s Voices from the Civil War

War is violence without "rules". The only rules are made by the victorious and those with no understanding about the very nature of war or armed conflict.

You do realize that CIVILIANS make up the majority of all casualties in ANY WAR.

Do you think our "precision" guided weapons avoided children or turning entire families into goo and splatter? That video of the IDF going in and freeing hostages was missing the part about the explosives used to "confuse" the Hamas combatants.

I am a little suprised that people don't read about what war is really all about. My grandfather, 8 uncles, father, cousins and son are/were in the armed forces or fought in a revolution/insurgency.

War is horrible but it's better than watching your family laying on the front lawn with slit throats, raped, or splattered across the street. and yeah..... sometimes you got to get your hands dirty and that most soldiers/marines that have been "in war" know that and don't usually brag about stuff they did, other than their job or the bravery they witnessed.

[Captain Walker]

How many "babies" did we kill in Tokyo, Dresden, Cologne, Nagasaki, Hiroshima....?

It's a small point, but the Allies didn't bomb Cologne indiscriminately (even as we pounded the bridge and the train station to no end).

The cathedral was recognized as enough of a treasure to preserve it. (Considering its proximity to the bridge and train station, that was no easy feat.)

[T.B. Yoits]

Deluded?

https://nypost.com/2023/10/14/progressives-call-for-us-to-take-refugees-from-gaza/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign-policy/2985895/biden-administration-contemplating-bringing-palestinian-refugees-us/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-should-welcome-gaza-refugees-asylum-seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-14/ty-article/israeli-mks-publish-plan-to-transfer-gazans-to-europe-to-alleviate-humanitarian-crisis/0000018b-ce7c-d168-a3ef-dffeed320000

The same people are called "terrorists" or "refugees" depending on who is going to push them where.

[NWFree]

Welcome to Reality. Fascinating isn’t it?

[Phlyer]

If you read my post, you would see that I draw a distinction between 'deliberate' killing of babies, as an end in itself, and having that as an unavoidable side effect of weapons aimed at military targets.

If that distinction does *not* matter to you, then you belong with the terrorists. If that distinction *does* matter to you, then the rest of your posting is irrelevant.

[PGalt]

Good article. Interesting discussion.

The clan, mob, collective, gang, whatever, TOTALITARIANS have one thing in common: A Singleness of Purpose.

“Jehad is a continuous and never ending struggle waged on all fronts including political, economic, social, psychological, domestic, [foreign], moral and spiritual to attain the objectives of policy”

The Quranic Concept of War pp 115/16

Their own words tell us their intent. The deeds are the reality of their words. The words have spread around the earth. The horrific, incomprehensible deeds are carried out every day somewhere on the planet.

The never-ending war on truth, freedom, individuals, life continues.