Nation Building’s Last Stand in Gaza

Sultan Knish ^ | 27 May 2024 | Daniel Greenfield

[Kazan]

Why is sticking our noses into Georgia not an example of nation building? Who in hell are we to tell the Georgian government it can't enact the Foreign Agent Registration Act?

Because it might keep George and Alex Soros from making money there?

[Chad C. Mulligan]

The amusing thing is the Zeeper neocon nit wit like yourself thought "nation building" was a good idea in Ukraine, where fomented an illegal, installed a puppet government and setoff a civil war.

Or is nation building only good when the defense industry and our political elite can make money off it?

We are so far away from Reagan's foreign policy, which had the objective of freeing people in the rest of the world from tyranny.

Broadcasting this wild post by a certain Russian for the humor in it. You will no doubt think of your own explanations for his counterfactual rant. Mine is medical.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

The countries that have a “kill my neighbor’s goat” mentality will never be able to become functional societies until they get rid of it.

[blitz128]

Russian mir is the poster child for tyranny

[USA-FRANCE]

“Why is sticking our noses into Georgia not an example of nation building? Who in hell are we to tell the Georgian government it can’t enact the Foreign Agent Registration Act?
Because it might keep George and Alex Soros from making money there?”

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Hrmm.. Russia has stolen 20% of Georgias territory. That is Russian Expansion Nation Building. Right?
Do you denounce Russia’s nation building by any chance, as it illegally gobbles down and ANNEXES other people’s nations?

Russia is like ANTIFA. They invade other people’s homes, they commit arson, they plunder and murder, then they take their houses. Are you going to denounce typical Kremlin behavior in the future?

Just in...!
We have just learned what caused the sudden extinction of the dinosaurs...
Its George Soros!

More seriously now, while I don’t like Soros, giving him credit for everything that is wrong on the planet is more like hysteria.

Georgians simply don’t want the other 80% of their country to be stolen by Russia. They have the right to protest against any laws that favors Russia over their own homeland. Too much to ask for?

[gleeaikin]

Nation building certainly has not worked in Palestine. I remember decades ago when Israel moved out of Gaza and turned it over to the Palestinians. THey had left a lot of useful infrastructure the Palestinians could use to maintain a viable state. One such was a system of greenhouses to grow needed food. The first thing the Palestinians did was DESTROY these greenhouses. Why? Because they were built by Israelis. How do you cure HATE and STUPID. Especially one controlled by a religion that requires brainwashing prayers and ceremonies 5 times a day.

Last night I was watching a special about a family of North Koreans in the process of escaping via Tailand to Vietnam for eventual settling in S. Korea. It showed the massive daily brainwashing and punishment methods to keep the people believing in working hard for their totally essential DEAR LEADER, and how solidly it was ingrained in the grandmother, and the children who were just obeying their parents who wanted OUT. Eventually they were filmed in S. Korea where they ALL were so happy they had left N. Korea.

[MeganC]

The assertion that Ukraine was not an actual nation prior to the coup in 2014 is an admission that it was a vassal state of Moscow prior to that. That’s why the Ukrainian people chose sovereignty.

[Kazan]

Russia has stolen 20% of Georgias territory.

More utter bullsh$t.

Here's the truth:

https://pesd.princeton.edu/node/706

Both Abkhazia and South Ossetia had enjoyed substantial autonomy throughout the Soviet period and even though the population of both regions was ethnically mixed, it was not until the intensification of Georgian nationalism from the late-1980s onwards that tensions emerged.

The people in those regions, just like those in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea, didn't want to part of nationalist government that were hostile to them.

The hypocrisy on the NATO side is that we and NATO recognize the right of those in Kosovo to have independence from Serbia for the same reasons the Russians recognize these two regions independence.

The idea that NATO and the West should be the world's policemen and force people to be part of countries that they don't want to part of is an example of both bullying and extreme arrogance. And, of course, the underlying motive is a hatred toward and our elite's desperate desire to destroy Russia.

[blitz128]

My favorites are when they talk about a generation of dead Ukranians and destroyed homes, land, economy, infrastructure….like they are innocent bystanders watching this happen

As I have said before, not sure what being a nazi these days means, but if you want to see a nation and its leader doing what the nazis did, Russia sure comes to mind
Potato-potatoe

[blitz128]

And then there is Chechnya as well a Georgia
Nothing to see there either

[BroJoeK]

USA-FRANCE: "Russia has stolen 20% of Georgias territory."

Kazan: "More utter bullsh$t.
Here's the truth:"

20% is correct and your Princeton article on "Georgia: Abkhazia and South Ossetia" is only part of the truth, since it does not explain how Russians agitated, manipulated and deceived Georgians leading up to Russia's August 2008 invasion of Georgia.

A listing of what's known publicly can be found in this article: Responsibility for the Russo-Georgian War
It clearly shows that Russian troops were moving to invade Georgia well before South Ossetians began artillery shelling Georgian towns, provoking the Georgian army response.

Kazan: "The people in those regions, just like those in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea, didn't want to part of nationalist government that were hostile to them."

And as with Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea, the people of Abkhazia & South Ossetia were encouraged to rebel and war against their governments -- rather than negotiate terms peacefully -- so as to provide pretexts for Vlad's preplanned invasions and annexations.

Today the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are:

1. Occupied by around 10,000 Russian troops
   
2. Supported economically by Russia
   
3. Controlled politically from Moscow
   
4. Use Russia's currency in business.
   
5. Speak Russia's language officially, in schools and media.
   
6. Carry Russian passports as Russian citizens.

In other words, for practical purposes, Russia has already annexed Abkhazia and South Ossetia in all but name.
This is the fate, and much worse, that awaits Ukraine and others, if Moscow defeats them.

Kazan: "The hypocrisy on the NATO side is that we and NATO recognize the right of those in Kosovo to have independence from Serbia for the same reasons the Russians recognize these two regions independence."

The truth is there were stark differences between Kosovo and Abkhazia/South Ossetia, including:

1. Russian propaganda claims of "genocide" in Georgia are pure fantasy, nothing remotely resembling genocide happened before Russia's invasion.

   

2. In the Kosovo War, Serbs did mass murder nearly 10,000 non-Serbs, while suffering about 1,000 Serbian deaths.

   "Numerous war crimes were committed by all sides during the Kosovo War, which lasted from 28 February 1998 until 11 June 1999.
   According to Human Rights Watch, the vast majority of abuses were attributable to the government of Slobodan Milošević, mainly perpetrated by the Serbian police, the Yugoslav army, and Serb paramilitary units.
   During the war, regime forces killed between 7,000–9,000 Kosovar Albanians,[1] engaged in countless acts of rape,[2] destroyed entire villages, and displaced nearly one million people.[1]"

3. In 1999 NATO forced Serbian forces to withdraw from Kosovo, and KFOR has remained to prevent violence ever since.

4. Today, Kosovo is recognized as an independent country by over 100 UN member nations, while Abkhazia/South Ossetia are recognized by nobody outside the Russkiy Mir.

5. So, the end result was Kosovan independence, not annexation by some other country.

Kazan: "The idea that NATO and the West should be the world's policemen and force people to be part of countries that they don't want to part of is an example of both bullying and extreme arrogance."

The fact is that if nobody enforces the peace the results can often be invasions, mass murders and genocide, which we saw in Yugoslavia and many other places.
And here's the truth about police-work -- around 80% of US police never fire their weapons, except in training.
Likewise, NATO's KFOR in Kosovo has prevented major violence there for 25 years.
The cost is circa 4,500 NATO troops, of whom circa 600 are US military.

Kazan: "And, of course, the underlying motive is a hatred toward and our elite's desperate desire to destroy Russia."

Seriously??
Do you not grasp that no American really cares about Russia and every American president has attempted to make-nice with Vlad the Invader:

1. GW Bush famously looking into Vlad's soul and saw... what?

   "I looked the man in the eye.
   I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy.
   We had a very good dialogue.
   I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country."

2. Hillary Clinton famously presented Laverov with a big plastic "reset button".
   Everyone thought, isn't that cute?

   

3. Barack Obama famously stage-whispered to the raving lunatic Medvedev in 2012 how he'd be more "flexible" as soon as he got reelected.
   Putin held off invading Ukraine Crimea until 2014.

4. Biden himself accused Donald Trump of being "Putin's Puppy", regardless of how tough Trump talked or how much military equipment he sent to Ukraine.
   Trump wanted to keep the peace by intimidating dictators, he was not trying to destroy anybody.

5. Even Pres. Biden publicly suggested in January 2022 that a Russian "minor incursion" into Ukraine might not be so bad.

So, the idea that US political leadership just naturally hates Russians and wants to destroy Russia is pure paranoid fantasy.

The truth of the matter is that all international hatred of Russia has been hard earned by Russia and well deserved for innumerable acts of bad behavior over many years.

As witnesses to that, we could ask Russia's neighbors and former subjects in Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Chechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Armenia, Georgia and many more.

Do they want to see Russia destroyed? Maybe.
Do they want to see Russians behave themselves like civilized human beings? Absolutely.

[Chad C. Mulligan]

Kazan is the official FR mouthpiece of the SVR; it couldn’t be any more obvious.