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To: USA-FRANCE

Bla bla bla.

This war was started by us in October 2021 with our NATO move.

And it is continued by us with a constant flow of money and weapons.

The victory parades and slogans are already beginning to fade away from our media. We are already beginning to “manage expectations.”

What is left is a very grim reality and future for Ukraine. Not Russia, but Ukraine who’s currency is worthless, Ukraine that is massively indebted, Ukraine that is looking at a demographic implosion, Ukraine that lost >37% of their GDP, Ukraine that that went to war over NATO and won’t be a member, but also lost all chances of EU membership which was in reach before the war, Ukraine which lost ~16% of their landmass, a major industrial area, their steel industry and major port city.

What you’re left with are imaginary casualties, wonder weapons, dreams about counter-offensives that go no where, some “hope” today that Ukraine doesn’t lose land any faster than they are.

And who is in a “forever war?” Since 1991 we (the US) have had 251 different real world military operations around the world. We have our troops in more nations than anyone else, have more troops outside our border than anyone else, spend more on war than anyone else, sell more arms than anyone else, attacked more nations than anyone else, invaded more nations than anyone else, sponsored more coups than anyone else, have one of the biggest military’s in manpower, have one of the biggest nuclear arsenals but the most weapons deployed... We have not had (((one day of peace))) in 33 years since the Cold War ended (the end of the Cold War only made us become more belligerent - without the balance of power by the Soviets and Warsaw Pact), and it’s us that’s attacking, invading, and sponsoring coups while talking about peace.


7 posted on 05/23/2024 11:46:27 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

Your name Red is appropriate.


10 posted on 05/23/2024 11:54:17 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Red6

Obama has bombed more countries than any other President.

Tank vs. Kamikaze drones:

https://youtube.com/shorts/apTGty0UJkE?si=L7llI3Y1r-Fd1gln


12 posted on 05/24/2024 12:04:25 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦....We are in the later stages of a Communist takeover...)
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To: Red6

Hi Red.

Thought I’d fix up some of the things you said. You said we (the US) spend more on military than anybody else. We spend more on military than everybody else added together. Being as big as we are, we can sustain losses. We don’t have to win every conflict.

I don’t know how you came up with the figure 251 conflicts, but, since 1991, we have moved the borders of NATO from what used to be West Germany to Poland, and also the Baltic countries, and most of the former Yugoslavia. This is called winning.

More than half the countries of Latin America are today functioning democracies, with vibrant economies, and improving quality of life such as falling murder rates. No doubt, we have a lot of work ahead of us. This, too, is called winning.

Asia is a gigantic continent, with lots of diversity and cross-currents. Instead of trying to summarize, I’ll just point to one country: India.

India is just amazing. It’s the world’s biggest democracy, with an economy that is growing faster than China’s. I think of India and China as the tortoise and the hare. Yes, China sprinted out of the gate (since about 1979, when Deng came into office). But, China isn’t a democracy and, so, is being overcome by problems.

Africa is today the only region of the world stuck in poverty. Yet, there are a growing number of countries in Africa that are getting their act together.

Russia isn’t anything like us. The loss of the Warsaw Pact nations of eastern Europe and even the SSRs of the former Soviet Union have collapsed its population and economy. Nobody has ever successfully invaded Russia, not even Napoleon or Hitler; but, Russia has never won a war outside its borders either. Japan in 1904, Poland in 1921, Finland in the winter war, Afghanistan in the 1980s, and now Ukraine. And, sometimes, after losing one of these border wars, there is an internal revolution in Russia.

We have a real advantage being a democracy. When we wind up with a stupid person as president, we suffer; but, only for a time. This fall, we will replace our bumbling idiot in the White House with a man of intelligence, vision and energy. But, Russia, no. There is no way Putin will be replaced. There isn’t even a viable candidate to replace him, nor a decent opposition party. He is Russia’s dictator and his failures result in other people being purged, as in falling from a tall building or being beaten to death in prison. Democracy has its problems, but it is war better than dictatorship.


16 posted on 05/24/2024 12:24:22 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Red6

Red6 repeats the same old Russian talking points. As if repetition will somehow make them come true.


17 posted on 05/24/2024 12:48:42 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Red6

+1


19 posted on 05/24/2024 1:04:11 AM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: Red6

Complete nonsense in your first sentence. Before Pooty invaded (this time) there was NO chance of Ukraine getting into NATO. No need to read further.


40 posted on 05/24/2024 8:11:58 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Red6; ransomnote; Does so; Chad C. Mulligan; PIF

“This war was started by us in October 2021 with our NATO move.”

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You have been misinformed.
Russia started this war by invading Crimea in 2014. There is no discussion about this.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

“What is left is a very grim reality and future for Ukraine”

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No.
The future of Ukraine is : full membership within the EU and NATO.
It’s what the vast majority of the Ukrainian people yearn for.
That is Ukraine’s future, it won’t end in any other way.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

“And who is in a “forever war?” Since 1991 we (the US)...”

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The 1991 Iraq was started by Saddam Hussein. He illegally annexed Kuwait.
America liberated Kuwait (with many allies, especially the French Foreign Legion, and excellent UK troops.

The Afghanistan war was started by Al Qaida and their Taliban friends.
They attacked the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and downed 4 passenger planes.

The Vietnam / Korea wars were started by Russian backed Communists as they invaded our allies in that region.

The Yugoslavia war was started by Russia-backed Serbian Milosevic who started a purge-like horror show in a large part of Europe.

America has not annexed Serbia.
America had not annexed Iraq.
America has not annexed Kuwait.
America has not annexed Afghanistan.
America has not annexed Vietnam.
America has not annexed Korea.

America never even thought of annexing any of those countries. Period.

Russia however... is starting wars everywhere in order to annex and make anything they take permanently RUSSIAN!

Rather recently :
Russia annexed parts of Georgia.
Russia annexed parts of Moldova.
Russia annexed Crimea
Russia annexed areas in the Donbas and other places in Crimea.
Russia has corrupted Niger’s government in order to replace US troops with Wagner there. And in other African “countries”.
Russia use their Iran/Hamas proxies to destabilize Israel and in doing so are easing the pressure on the Ukrainian frontlines. A typical diversion technique.
Russia is helping Azerbaijan against our Armenia allies.

And...
Communist China is threatening to invade and ANNEX Taiwan and the Philippines.

What is America ANNEXING?? Niet, Zero, Nada.
Right?

The real deep-state warlords are in the Kremlin. They are a bunch of for-ever war fanatics allied to America’s worst communists and islamist enemies : North Korea, Russia, Iran/Hamas, China.


84 posted on 05/24/2024 4:36:25 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Red6
"This war was started by us in October 2021 with our NATO move."

That's not how wars start.

305 posted on 06/12/2024 3:15:32 PM PDT by Dat
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