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WHY YOU CAN'T BE AN IRAN HAWK AND A RUSSIA DOVE
Institute for the Study of War ^

Posted on 05/19/2024 2:46:10 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE

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Is there still a dozen here on FR supporting the Russia-Iran-Hamas-Alliance? Nah... I don't think so. Not in this day and age. Wokeism is finally starting to fall apart. Realism is taking over.
1 posted on 05/19/2024 2:46:10 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Anything to get the US out of the Middle East - I’m for it.


2 posted on 05/19/2024 2:48:47 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Keep beating your war drum.


3 posted on 05/19/2024 2:51:47 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: USA-FRANCE

Russia has been spoiling, and beating up a neighbor, is not the ennd of it.

Russia needed a good conduit, and Iran works, for now.


4 posted on 05/19/2024 2:57:06 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: USA-FRANCE
Wokeism is finally starting to fall apart.

For your beloved NATO, Wokeism has just begun:

"NATO exists to defend 32 nations, and our peoples’ right to live freely & in peace. On the International Day against Homophobia, Biphobia & Transphobia, and every day: all love is equal. LGBTQ+ people deserve respect & dignity, and I am proud to call myself your ally."

Jens Stoltenberg
NATO Secretary General
May 16, 2024

5 posted on 05/19/2024 2:57:44 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: USA-FRANCE
We picked Russia as an enemy because our idiot deepstate thought Russia was weak because they pojected our stunning capabilities and Russian weakness. What we have discovered that ultra high priced precision guided munitions are not a solution when you have more targets to destroy than you have weapons. Lots of cheap artillery works well. We thought fortified cities would break Russia. After literally kilotons of artillery, it turns out the fortifications break.

And of course there is weaning Europe off of cheap gas so we can sell them expensive gas, sort of the petrol equivalent of the broken glass fallacy.

So I am wide eyed about Russia's intentions and capabilites, but I am not a supporter of the way we marched Ukraine into this mess. Now apparently Estonia and Poland want to have a go. How about we just fix ourselves and our borders and our economy.

6 posted on 05/19/2024 2:59:57 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: USA-FRANCE

It is pretty easy to notice no one is asking us to attack Iran, while our troops might be the only way Ukraine can “win”.

Nothing contradictory in noting Russia is evil AND that Russia is likely to win no matter what we do. Time to work on a negotiated settlement because POLITICS ISN’T ABOUT MORALITY, BUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE.


7 posted on 05/19/2024 3:00:59 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

There are a bunch of them around. They pump each up on the regular.


8 posted on 05/19/2024 3:02:06 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

“Moscow and Iran have formed a military bloc with the aim of defeating the UnitedStates and its allies ...”

Oh shut up ignorant neocon fool !


9 posted on 05/19/2024 3:02:42 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: USA-FRANCE

Not supporting Russia, Iran, China or Ukraine. Yes, it’s possible.

They’re all a bunch of corrupt, evil, parasitic countries.

I don’t support Biden or Soros either. If you want to supper any of the trash listed above, you might find that DU is the place for you.


10 posted on 05/19/2024 3:07:41 PM PDT by Allegra (Toss a zeeper in the Dnieper)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

He failed to mention Zoophilia and 55 other perversions.


11 posted on 05/19/2024 3:08:59 PM PDT by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: Allegra

*support


12 posted on 05/19/2024 3:09:22 PM PDT by Allegra (Toss a zeeper in the Dnieper)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Why? Because Bill Kristol’s pet think-tanks decrees it so?


13 posted on 05/19/2024 3:14:10 PM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Darksheare; gleeaikin; BroJoeK; All

“Keep beating your war drum.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It’s not what I’m doing, far from it.
What I do is keeping everyone awake concerning the unpleasant truth about what is going on in the world as we speak. As we all know our freedom hasn’t come for free... Now is not the the time to sleepwalk our way forward while pretending our enemies are teddybears while they invade and kill all over the place, that would only invite further aggression from our enemies.

Now is not the time to turn a blind eye on what the Iran-Hamas-Russia-North Korea military and political alliance is dong against American interests non-stop all over the planet, even in Africa...

Nearly all wars start with peace-at-any-cost activists. They give the necessary leeway for aggressors to commit crime and start those wars. Weakness attracts wars.

Likewise, if we defund our police in America it’ll ignite a war of aggression from well armed gangsters against innocent barely armed American citizens.

We must stay awake and fight against those who attack are homes, friendly neighbors and friends. It’s not only Christian to do so. It’s common moral sense.


14 posted on 05/19/2024 3:15:34 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: USA-FRANCE
Article brought to you by the ISW Institute for the Study of War.

War is their business, their only business.

Sounds like a bunch of jackasses who enjoy endless war. George Washington warned us about these guys and their foreign entanglements.

15 posted on 05/19/2024 3:16:57 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

You know nothing about Realism or Realpolitik.

Your entire world view is dictated by your emotions.

Just like a 12 year old girl.

And like ISW, you believe you can define the parameters of acceptable thoughts. And you conflate this Pollyanna world view with all manner of false associations.


16 posted on 05/19/2024 3:17:03 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Rotten neocon bull crap site. This is the kind of hogwash we expect out of you.
Go away.


17 posted on 05/19/2024 3:17:58 PM PDT by dforest ( )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman; USA-FRANCE
Some actual source material:
" 'NATO’s strength is its diversity' - Secretary General on International Day against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia"

NATO, 17 May 2023

"The Gender Balance and Diversity Task Force was established according to the mandate agreed by member countries at the 2002 Prague Summit. The Task Force works to coordinate policies, identify barriers and promote activities to build a diverse and inclusive workforce in the IS and civilian IMS workforce."

NATO, 19 April 2024

NATO News YouTube --"NATO’s strength is our diversity, so it is important that we reflect and celebrate the extraordinary diversity of our populations. This is not just the right thing to do, it is the smart thing to do: It makes us stronger. I value every member of the LGBTQ+ community serving at the NATO headquarters and around the world. You deserve dignity and respect, and I am proud to call myself your ally."

NATO Secretary General speech on the International Day Against Homophobia, 17 MAY 2023NATO, 17 May 2023

One wonders when NATO will come "out?"
18 posted on 05/19/2024 3:18:44 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: A strike

Its not about being a Neocon or not..
It’s about staying awake, or “unwoke” if you prefer :

“Vladimir Putin sought to intervene in the Middle Eastern conflict on Thursday by inviting senior Hamas and Iranian leaders to Moscow.”

In a move condemned by Israel as an “obscene step” that “gives support to terrorism”, Russian officials met with the terror group who praised them for taking an “active role” in the war.

Putin ‘forming axis of terror’ as he welcomes Hamas and Iran to Moscow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/26/putin-forming-axis-of-terror-welcomes-hamas-iran-moscow/


19 posted on 05/19/2024 3:20:06 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

More than a dozen.


20 posted on 05/19/2024 3:20:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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