Posted on 04/27/2024 4:32:21 PM PDT by Kazan
I certainly do not.
The idea the Biden regime wanted Zelensky to leave and Ukraine to surrender is contradicted by all those Ukrainian flags the Democrats were waving last Saturday after the foreign aid bill was passed.
The Russians came to the Biden regime with their security concerns in December of 2021 and the regime wouldn't even agree to talk BECAUSE it wanted a proxy war with Russia.
The Grinding War in Ukraine Could Have Ended a Long Time Ago
According to Bennett, as early as the second Saturday of the war, or a little less than a week and a half into the war, both Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and Russian president Vladimir Putin made major concessions: Putin, by giving up on the goals of the “demilitarization” of Ukraine and its “denazification” — meaning, as Bennett interpreted it, regime change — and Zelensky by giving up on pursuing NATO membership.
Calling both leaders “pragmatic,” Bennett says that over the course of negotiations, he “was under the impression that both sides very much want[ed] a ceasefire” and gave the odds of any deal holding at 50-50. Over a “marathon of drafts,” he claims, seventeen draft agreements were prepared. But “they blocked it, and I thought [they were] wrong,” Bennett says, referring to the Western powers backing Ukraine.
“I have one claim,” Bennett told the interviewer. “I claim there was a good chance of reaching a ceasefire.” When the interviewer asks if he means “had they not curbed it,” he replies with a nod.
Who said anything about Ukraine surrendering?
The United States thought he should evacuate Kyiv for his personal safety and offered to do it.
Here, there are some translation discrepancies: the English subtitles from Bennett’s translator say “they blocked it,” while the Russian subtitles and English auto-translate say “they broke off negotiations.”Additionally, attributing "they" to refer to the Western powers is the author's editorializing, not the words of Bennett which are ambiguous. Further down in the Bulwark article:
Slightly earlier in the interview, at about 2 hours and 45 minutes, Bennett makes another significant statement: while the talks achieved some breakthroughs, with Putin agreeing to drop his demands for Ukraine’s demilitarization and “denazification”—which Bennett understood to mean the removal of Volodymyr Zelensky as president of Ukraine—and Zelensky agreeing to drop the goal of NATO membership, all of that juddered to a halt in early April once the reports came in of Russian atrocities in Bucha, the town near Kyiv that had been under Russian occupation in March. As Bennett succinctly puts it: “The Bucha massacre—once that happened I said, it’s over.” In other words, it wasn’t the United States or Western countries or NATO that ended any peace talks, such as they were. Rather, it was, first and foremost, Russia’s bloody escalation of the violence.Bennett latter clarified on X/Twitter:
1. It’s unsure there was any deal to be made. At the time I gave it roughly a 50% chance. Americans felt chances were way lower. Hard to tell who was right.In other words, there was no peace deal.
Finally there is the timeline that I have already provided that shows that Zelensky was open to a peace agreement after Boris Johnson's visit and that it was Putin who declared that the negotiations had reached a dead end because of what he attributed to the lie of the Bucha atrocities. But none of this will stop the pro-Russian side from spreading the lie that an agreement had been made only to be blocked by Boris Johnson.
AP: Live updates: Zelenskyy declines US offer to evacuate Kyiv
And, when Ukrainians upset about the illegal coup tried a petition drive to address that, they were rounded AND burned to death in a union building in Odessa.
This is what your Ukrainian nationalists/neo-Nazis friends resorted to:
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA410TU/
More than 40 people were killed in Odessa on Friday, most caught in a building set on fire after pro-Russian activists and supporters of Ukrainian unity fought running battles across the southern port city.
What a hypocrite you are. You wanted those in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea to follow the constitution but are fine and dandy with those the violated by fomenting a coup and driving Yanukovych out of office.
Those that are being persecuted by a government formed illegally ARE NO OBLIGATION to obey it or be a part of it.
You're proving just how unreasonable and ruthless those that fomented and supported the 2014 Maiden revolution were and are.
In other words, from a propaganda site run by Never Trumper Bill Kristol, who lies like he breathes.
That's absurd. It's mistranslation! 😂
Oh, BS.
He had other motivation(s); wake me when the facts are leaked.
“Let the Euros deal with it. It’s their back yard.”
The Euros are all in on bloody ethnic border wars. This is just another in a long tragic history.
The same nonsense about the future.
You do not know the future and you cannot guarantee what the future will look like.
Your thinking always leads to war because the alternative is to take a risk on a future war by avoiding one today.
Well, I would rather live in a world where we avoid war today and if it might happen again, then we try to avoid it again.
People like you think that war is the only answer because "if". People like you got us into Vietnam.
You were wrong then and you are wrong now.
I find it amazing how many FReepers support the Obama/Biden foreign policy of overthrowing elected governments and agitating war.
Wait a minute!
Telling that to the likes of the Biden clones is like pushing on a rope. It don't get through their little-bitty minds. Don't you know better than to confuse them with the truth?
Try another example. That one doesn't work.
First, he didn't invade. The people of Crimea, who were primarily Ruskies, didn't want the same thing happening to them as happened in East Ukieland by the nazis. Bombings and constant military attacks on their civilians. Especially after the 2014 US/NATO-led color revolution/invasion of 2014.
What exactly would we do if China organized a revolution in Mexico and threatened us with missiles in Tijuana? I think I know. Same difference. You get another chance. We're waiting.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/26/europe/ukraine-zelensky-evacuation-intl
Zelensky refuses US offer to evacuate, saying ‘I need ammunition, not a ride’
This same tripe repeated again and again, as if just continuing to repeat it makes it so.
If you're referring to Zeepers, the Biden regime, neocons, the Brits, EU and NATO, you'd be right.
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