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To: Alberta's Child
"Go back and read about what was happening at "Big Three" plants in the U.S. from the late 1960s through the mid-1980s"

There were some stinkers during that timeframe to be sure, but a lot (not all) of that had to do with the heavy hand of government leaning on the industry during that era.

Don't forget, you had the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act passed in 1966 largely in reaction to Nader's book, "Unsafe At Any Speed." Then in the early 70s, CAFE standards were enacted in the wake of the Arab oil embargo. It was a tough time for the auto industry. Certainly there were some very poor management decisions coupled with union apathy, kind of a perfect storm, that when considered holistically, would have made it surprising if the US auto industry had not produced the crappy cars it did at the time.

27 posted on 04/22/2024 7:23:38 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack

” Then in the early 70s, CAFE standards were enacted in the wake of the Arab oil embargo. It was a tough time for the auto industry. Certainly there were some very poor management decisions coupled with union apathy, kind of a perfect storm, that when considered holistically, would have made it surprising if the US auto industry had not produced the crappy cars it did at the time. “


The combination of tightening emissions plus crash safety plus CAFE was a real killer.

For emissions, the way they dealt with reducing oxides of nitrogen was drastically lowering compression ratios - which killed power and absolutely killed mileage. Then the first catalytic converters came in, which were very restrictive and killed power and mileage some more.

They were putting smaller engines in heavier cars (crash safety) for fuel economy and the idle settings were very lean for emissions, so they didn’t run well and got lousy gas mileage.

The japanese had little market penetration in North America until the oil shock. (unlike the UK where they were significant by the late 1960s). Japs had the same emissions and power issues. But they were able to put in larger engines (for them) into what has still very small, light cars and still get good mileage.

The japanese cars rusted just as bad (even in Vancouver BC). But their mechanical and electrical components were better, and that was the beginning of the japanese reputation for durability.


28 posted on 04/22/2024 8:04:56 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Nader's book, "Unsafe At Any Speed."

Ralph Nader did exactly one good thing in his life: he ran for President in 2000, thus preventing "President Al Gore".

37 posted on 04/23/2024 10:06:16 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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