Posted on 04/18/2024 7:31:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Here's how this conversation goes - this happens every single time:
Me: "wind and solar are boondoggles which would not even exist without massive government subsidies. They cannot even compete in the marketplace."
Gaia Worshiper: "Yeah well well well....Oil and Gas and Coal get subsidies too!"
me: "a tax break is NOT a subsidy.
Gaia Worshiper: "Yeah it is. Look at how much more money the government could be taking from them. That's a subsidy!"
me: "uhhh no. The government MAKES vast amounts of money on Oil/Gas/Coal. It actively hands big wads of cash to wind and solar or they would not even exist. Taking less of the money you earn is not the same thing as handing you other people's money."
At this point they never have a good answer and desperately try to deflect. Again, this happens EVERY time you talk to these people about it.
Wind power works great right up until the wind stops blowing. A few years ago the idiots in Scotland went all wind power because after all the North Sea wind never stops blowing - right?
Well it did and what was worse is that the scumbags the shutdown the coal fired plants didn’t bother to maintain them so there was NO POWER and people died.
Dead birds tell no tales.....
Not buying it except for Ethiopia and Democratic Republic of the Congo.. doesn’t take much to run a couple lightbulbs.
“Considering that electricity production for Albania, Bhutan, Ethiopia, Iceland, Nepal, Paraguay and the Democratic Republic of Congo amounted to about a few large D Cell batteries “
If there is a shred of truth in this, it is that all these countries use geothermal (Iceland) or hydropower (Paraguay) and an insignificant amount of wind and solar.
“On-grid hydropower is Bhutan’s main energy source. “
“Albania’s domestic generation is almost entirely dependent on hydropower since the country’s only thermal power plant is currently inoperable.”
What is the main source of electricity in Ethiopia?
Ethiopia Energy Situation - energypedia
hydro energy
The produced electricity of ~ 9000 GWh/a is mainly generated by hydro energy (96%) followed by wind energy (4%), whereof in total 11% get exported. In contrast the major share of energy supply for transport is imported in forms of petroleum. Ethiopia is endowed with renewable energy sources.Mar 19, 2024
When a GREEN SHILL tells a ridiculous lie with no shame, that can teach us not to believe anything they say, for example, don’t believe anything they say about the cost of their BS bird killers, of the danger of the minuscule contribution of CO2 to the minuscule amount of warming we have experienced.
On virtually every complaint about ‘green’ energy , ‘renewable’ energy, etc. he proponents always ignore possible repercussions.
Let’s say the flat and hilly land masses did produce enough wind to power a plethora of windmills (i.e., these windmills take out the energy of the wind to convert to other energy?). How is that going to affect normal ground ‘wind truth?’ The energy that normally affects local weather, temperature control, Agricultual affects?
Thus far, I’ve seen no studies or models that assess removing wind energy from a local environment and seeing what the effect is.
Or just reduce the population by 90%...
“Norway came close with 98.38 per cent of its energy from wind, water or solar, according to the data compiled by Stanford University Professor Mark Jacobson”
Hhave you ever been to Norway? The country is blanketed with tall mountains, deep valleys and huge amounts of rain and snow fall. They have so much hydro power they sell surplus across the North Sea via HVDC cables too the UK and Denmark too. That use their hydro as a giant battery when the wind blows and the sun shines they turn down the turbines and let the water pile up behind the dams or if full spillway it. When the wind or solar drops they open the sluce gates and make hydro power in spades. It’s a gorgeous country full of even more gorgeous women too bad they are getting enriched with Africans and Middle Eastern types.
“Try producing 99% of the total power consumed by Cut and Shoot Texas with Green Sources, then we’ll talk…..”
At night Texas routinely goes nearly 100% wind powered. The only other plants on are the nukes @9% or less everything else is curtailed by law first. During the day I have seen 65% wind power in real time in the ERCOT datafeeds to those of us in the power industry. Texas has 39,000 megawatts of wind available this month demand at night drops below 30000 on the regular right as the winds howl in West Texas all night. I just looked at 0124 wind was 52% of the ERCOT grid solar plateaued out from noon till 1600 at 23% of the grid yesterday with wind at that time from 26% to 28% that means for most of the day yesterday Texas was at least 50% wind and solar.
Without industry level access one can look at the ERCOT grid dashboards for free with less detailed information.
“believe this happened just 2-3 days ago in Texas, on a perfectly clear and normal spring day.
The wind stopped blowing and suddenly the renewables share dropped on the grid dropped close to zero, sparking a mini crisis in the ERCOT grid”
Not a crisis the call went out to bring online peaker turbines and power storage systems. It was a clear day both days so solar was still making it’s expected 13,000 megawatts for those days during the midday solar plateau. A better way to look at is for every megawatt of wind on the grid is 18,000,000 btu of natural gas that gets to be used for something else more valuable like say fertilizers or plastics or saved for future generations use. You can burn it once or use it for something more valuable. The EROI on wind power in a class 5 wind field is well over 40 that’s all in that’s how EROI is defined. So the better way to look at it from an actual scientific not emotional view. You can burn that natural gas once to the sky or you can use it to make concrete,steel and plastics for a turbine then get back FOURTY TIMES as much energy as just burning it to the sky. Yes you need peak turbines but those are cheap under $900kw in capex and can spin up and down rapidly burn only the gas you need for the peaks save the rest for more valuable uses or higher EROI uses.
https://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/html/real_time_system_conditions.html
Yrs Liechtenstein and Andorra.
There is no such thing as renewable energy. Energy is converted to work when it is consumed.
EROI of 40 for onshore wind is a fantasy.
do you work for Vestas?
“More than 99.7 per cent of electricity in Albania, Bhutan, Ethiopia, Iceland, Nepal, Paraguay and the Democratic Republic of Congo comes from geothermal, hydro, solar or wind power.”
I knew this joke had a punchline!
Albania, Bhutan, Ethiopia, Iceland, Nepal, Paraguay and the Democratic Republic of Congo are hardly industrial societies and many rate as some of the most impoverished nations on earth.
Iceland has an abundance of geothermal energy, but that energy supports only a population of 376,000 people (one third the size of South Dakota) most of whom live in a single urban area. Iceland has no significant manufacturing or technology production and depends on imports for nearly everything. All this geothermal energy cannot support more than a small city without any industrialization or local production.
The other countries trumpeted as paragons of green energy sufficiency are third world economies at best. This 100% renewable energy utopia would move civilization back to a preindustrial age or worse.
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