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Ukraine ‘ran out of missiles’ to thwart Russian strike on power plant, Zelensky says
CNN ^ | Tue April 16, 2024 | Sebastian Shukla, Olga Voitovych, Andy Carey and Christian Edwards

Posted on 04/16/2024 10:30:15 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: ComputerGuy

“I don’t know if it’s true or not. But the spin is that American companies are getting the contracts. They don’t admit to $$$ being spent in Ukraine, as far as I’ve heard.”

That’s also my understanding. The $61B is to mostly cover the amount of money illegally spend (meaning spent without authorization) so that Biden’s people don’t end up in jail, should Trump win.


21 posted on 04/16/2024 11:10:17 AM PDT by BobL (A society built on MERIT cannot survive on DEI (ref. South Africa, and now USA))
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To: MinorityRepublican

First world problem.

Guess they better start talking.


22 posted on 04/16/2024 11:12:37 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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23 posted on 04/16/2024 11:15:11 AM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: bimboeruption

Pronounced OOGAH


24 posted on 04/16/2024 11:16:53 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: MinorityRepublican
A lack of air defenses meant Ukraine was powerless to prevent a Russian airstrike last week that destroyed the biggest power plant in Kyiv region

All the more reason not to give a penny more to Ukraine.

If Russia decides to turn the lights out completely, the war will be over and our elite can move on to fomenting war elsewhere.

25 posted on 04/16/2024 11:17:06 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: MinorityRepublican

In the opening salvo of a missle attack, a certain percentage will be without explosive material. The goal to draw down the oppositions missile defence weapons. Then when they running low like Ukraine is now, go with the real stuff.

We may never know what percentage of what Iran launched at Israel were duds.


26 posted on 04/16/2024 11:29:40 AM PDT by CodeJockey (I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.)
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27 posted on 04/16/2024 11:32:03 AM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: MinorityRepublican
[CNN Disinformation] Zelenksy said Iran’s thwarted attack on Israel demonstrated that Western countries were able to protect the skies of their allies.

Unlike Israel, Ukraine is not classified as a Major Non-NATO Ally (MNNA), or quasi-ally. Ukraine does not qualify to be designated as an ally, and this CNN disinformation is the same as that of the NYT yesterday.

https://www.state.gov/major-non-nato-ally-status/

Currently 18 countries are designated as MNNAs under 22 U.S.C. §2321k and 10 U.S.C. §2350a :

Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, Qatar, South Korea, Thailand, and Tunisia.

In addition, Pub. L. 107–228 provides Taiwan shall be treated as an MNNA, without formal designation as such.

https://statecodesfiles.justia.com/us/2021/title-22/chapter-32/subchapter-ii/part-ii/sec-2321k/sec-2321k.pdf

Title 22 - Foreign Relations and Intercourse
Chapter 32 - Foreign Assistance
Subchapter II - Military Assistance and Sales
Part II - Military Assistance
Sec. 2321k - Designation of major non-NATO allies

22 U.S.C. § 2321k

Executive Documents

DELEGATION OF FUNCTIONS

For delegation of functions of President under this section, see Ex. Ord. No. 12163, Sept. 29, 1979, 44 F.R. 56673, as amended, set out as a note under section 2381 of this title.

§2321k. Designation of major non-NATO allies

(a) Notice to Congress

The President shall notify the Congress in writing at least 30 days before—

(1) designating a country as a major non-NATO ally for purposes of this chapter and the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.); or

(2) terminating such a designation.

(b) Initial designations

Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand shall be deemed to have been so designated by the President as of the effective date of this section, and the President is not required to notify the Congress of such designation of those countries.

(Pub. L. 87–195, pt. II, §517, as added Pub. L. 104–164, title I, §147(a)(1), July 21, 1996, 110 Stat. 1434.)


28 posted on 04/16/2024 11:38:49 AM PDT by woodpusher
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I’d say “Z” is looking for “secrets” to Israel’s success.


29 posted on 04/16/2024 11:47:19 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The war is over. Without nukes,Ukraine was never going to avoid this. Let what’s left of the country move forward. Russia is not budging.


30 posted on 04/16/2024 12:00:37 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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31 posted on 04/16/2024 12:29:58 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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‘Does the US have plenty of those defensive anti missile missiles queued up and ready to speedily ship to Ukraine to use if only Republicans in Congress would approve the billions?”


No. Total Patriot missile production is 550 per year. Which is being “increased” to 650 per year.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/02/19/lockheed-himars-production-60/?expand_article=1

Total patriot missile production was 10,000 over the last 50 years. It is unknown how many are in inventory, but some would be used every year for training etc.

If the USA goes to war, it will be fighting with 2 patriot missiles a day.


32 posted on 04/16/2024 12:30:58 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Think of the lives, grief, and treasure that would have been saved if Zelensky hadn’t been talked out of signing the Minsk Agreement.


33 posted on 04/16/2024 12:44:11 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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Ukraine hasnt seen anything yet. The Killing fields are coming to Ukraine like when the Communists murdered millions in Cambodia after Congress cut of aid and “peace” was given a chance in 1975.

Putin is a Stalin wannabe. He plans to finish the genocide that Stalin orchestrated in 1933: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsM3YoPiloE

Wait and see,


34 posted on 04/16/2024 1:32:40 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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bttt


35 posted on 04/16/2024 1:33:39 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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I got an idea, have Green Day host a fundraiser in Kiev to help the Ukraine? TV, royalties etc would pay for many Patriot batteries and HIMARS ammo.

5.56mm

36 posted on 04/16/2024 1:38:30 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go. )
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But isn’t that foolish? Unless there is a backup/advancement ready to come online in case if war that the Public is unaware of?


37 posted on 04/16/2024 3:09:52 PM PDT by desertsolitaire
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Just maybe if z and his high-up ukrainian government chums took the monies that they are spending on villas and estates around the world for their families and friends and bought a couple missiles they would do better. What a corrupt putz.


38 posted on 04/16/2024 3:11:08 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp??)
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But isn’t that foolish? Unless there is a backup/advancement ready to come online in case if war that the Public is unaware of?
Shouldn’t we be quadrupling our production NOW?
And ramping up artillery and field pieces?
And millions of all sorts of drones?
I detect no palpable urgency here...


39 posted on 04/16/2024 3:11:09 PM PDT by desertsolitaire
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” But isn’t that foolish? Unless there is a backup/advancement ready to come online in case if war that the Public is unaware of?
Shouldn’t we be quadrupling our production NOW?
And ramping up artillery and field pieces?
And millions of all sorts of drones?
I detect no palpable urgency here... “


No. None of that is happening.

Patriot missile production is increasing from 500 to 650 per year.

Excalibur (the gps controlled 155mm shell, rocket assist range extender) production is 1000 shells per year, and it has not been increased.

They are struggling to get a new forging press in place to produce more conventional 155mm shells. It won’t be installed until at least the end of 2025.

The Raytheon CEO admitted in the Financial Times that they conldn’t decouple from China because they had thousands of Chinese subcontractors and were dependent on them for parts supply.

https://www.ft.com/content/d0b94966-d6fa-4042-a918-37e71eb7282e

Drones have been a known problem for two years, but the Pentagon can’t seem to do anything.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/17/pentagon-drones-replicator-program-funding-00132092

And the Silicon Valley private sector drones are fragile, overpriced junk compared to cheap Chinese drones.

https://www.wsj.com/world/how-american-drones-failed-to-turn-the-tide-in-ukraine-b0ebbac3


40 posted on 04/16/2024 3:34:42 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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