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To: JonPreston
impact Zelensky has had on faith-based communities in Ukraine.

LOL, okay so tell me EXACTLY WHAT is the "impact" Zelensky has had on faith bases communities that are not under the Moscow Patriarch? NONE

VS Putin's IMPACT on ALL faith base communities that are not Russian controlled? Evangelicals, Protestant, Catholic, non-Moscow Patriarch Orthodox, etc?

Russian persecution of evangelicals exceeding that of Soviet era, Mission Eurasia president says-Aug 2023

“Most deny that this is the beginning of a new wave of repression by the Russian regime. [But] we are monitoring churches in the occupied territories in Ukraine through our Religious Freedom Initiative and have discovered that more than 500 churches have been seized, many pastors have been deported, some have disappeared and many have been killed by the Russian regime.”

https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/russian-persecution-of-evangelicals-exceeding-that-of-soviet-era-mission-eurasia-president-says/

10 posted on 04/14/2024 5:50:30 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
LOL

And this comment of yours is why I call you tlolzo

11 posted on 04/14/2024 5:53:44 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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carngieendownment.org

Holy War: The Fight for Ukraine’s Churches and Monasteries

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church will never be able to return to its prewar position. There are only two options now: swear allegiance to the new national consensus, or become a pro-Kremlin collaborator.

The long-running battle over the formation in Ukraine of a united Orthodox church is becoming increasingly bitter. Secular authorities around the country have started transferring churches and monasteries—including the country’s holiest site, the historic Kyiv-Pechersk cave monastery—over from the branch of the Orthodox church affiliated with Moscow to one that is not.

The wartime Ukrainian government has neither the time nor the patience to wait for the clergy to settle their centuries-old squabbles themselves. The state is forcing them to stand up and be counted, and any loyalty to Moscow—even the most theoretical—is becoming unacceptable.

Historical ties with Moscow had long prevented the formation of a unified national church in Ukraine. Instead, two main churches were locked in a battle of rivals: the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOCMP), which was established in 1990 as a self-governing church under the canonic jurisdiction of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) and remains the biggest in Ukraine with about 12,000 parishes, and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church—Kyiv Patriarchate (UOCKP), set up in 1992 by Ukrainian clergy who sought independence from the ROC.

For many years, the UOCMP enjoyed the support of the Ukrainian government and businesses: its biggest benefactors at one time included former president Petro Poroshenko. But its rival UOCKP was always prepared to side with the secular authorities in any conflict with Moscow, which could not be said of the UOCMP, whose dual loyalty always made it the object of suspicion.

As relations between Ukraine and Russia deteriorated, the UOCKP saw its congregation grow. Even Ukrainians who were not particularly religious started identifying as members of the church on purely patriotic grounds.

Poroshenko tried to put an end to this long-standing church rivalry during his presidency in December 2018 with the formation of a new church, the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU), established under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and granted autocephaly, or ecclesial independence. Though it was based on the UOCKP, it was expected that gradually, UOCMP congregations would join its ranks, and indeed, the OCU began to grow, albeit very slowly, with no suggestion it would outgrow the UOCMP any time soon.

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It’s also important to remember that despite individual cases of clergy and churchgoers siding with Russia, most priests and members of the UOC are loyal to Ukraine. The church has lent its support to the Ukrainian army and refugees since the beginning of the war, and was involved in organizing humanitarian corridors to besieged Mariupol. Turning all of the church’s supporters into outcasts would be counterproductive for the state. Thanks to its support for Putin’s war, the ROC needs no help in making itself abhorrent to Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.

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27 posted on 04/14/2024 8:04:19 AM PDT by Liz (This then is how we should pray: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. )
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