Posted on 04/14/2024 4:08:47 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
Two senior Republican lawmakers, the chairs of the House Intelligence and Foreign Affairs committees, say their colleagues are echoing Russian state propaganda against Ukraine.
Researchers who study disinformation say Reps. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, and Michael McCaul, R-Texas, are merely acknowledging what has been clear for some time: Russian propaganda aimed at undermining U.S. and European support for Ukraine has steadily seeped into America’s political conversation over the past decade, taking on a life of its own.
McCaul, chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told Puck News he thinks “Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base.”
Turner, chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN that anti-Ukraine messages from Russia are “being uttered on the House floor.”
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Russia, in keeping with traditional propaganda techniques, seeks to make its case and tarnish Ukraine through a mixture of outright falsehoods, half-truths, inferences or simply amplifying and promoting arguments already being made by American or European commentators and politicians, researchers say.
The propaganda is sometimes spread covertly, through fake online accounts, or openly by Russian officials and state media. As a result, the origin of some allegations or criticisms is often opaque, especially when a certain accusation or perception has gained wide acceptance, leaving no clear fingerprints.
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You missed my point. It was towards NBC.
So. Basically, your position is that if Russia and some other person both speak truth — it must be because THEY are in the pay of Russia.
Uhh, and how many young children to abuse are you getting from UKraine to take their side on everything?
See how that works?
Both Heritage score are 62%. Better then some, but not good...
Reps. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, and Michael McCaul, R-Texas = 2 RINOs - Just like Chad.
Hunter Biden and Burisma was "Russian Propaganda," says NBC. Let that gem sink in.
Wonder what her take was on the uranium sale to Russia and what else does she have to sell.
She comparing notes with Biden?.
The same media that said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation?
Right.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna140240
Nbc news is full of crap.
And they double down on disinformation.
Russia Russia Russia is still useful to this day .
Hillary wishes she could have copyrighted it.
The Left and NeoCons join hands and March to the same beat, fellow travelers if you will, of the same ilk. UniParty NWO Swamp Rats
They want their splendid little war no matter what.
The point is that it never happened, it was a fake story.
That is exactly the type of propaganda the article is talking about.
It only takes one example to prove a “thesis “ wrong and you are wrong.
Whether you like it or not people can disagree with you on aid to Ukraine and not be leftists.
Assuming much to much
“Brilliant! You hit all the top Ruzzian talking points in a single essay!”
The Russians are talking about George Washington and the founding fathers? The Russians are talking about the Constitution of the United States and the requirements in the Constitution for involving the United States in a war? The Russians are talking about the unopposed invasion of the homeland by millions of new dependents who immediately begin sucking on the teat of the American taxpayers.
All of the above are Russian talking points? Thanks for letting me know.
“We are a funny country, in Iraq and Afghanistan we were desperately looking for allies to fight our enemies, in Ukraine we have willing fighters, but now we are tired of supporting them.”
WHERE ARE EUROPEAN Allies and the unending funding required for this war???
If you haven’t noticed OUR country grows poorer by the minute.
If/when we crash. WHO helps the world?
*** Is it the obligation of the American taxpayer to defend Ukraine***
The USA made security guarantees in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 to Ukraine in exchange for the latter giving up all its nuclear weapons. Yes, I know that idiot Clinton did it and it wasn’t put through Congress, but it seems rather unethical just to hang the Ukrainians out to dry (for want of munitions) after Russia treacherously invaded them.
***George Washington, in his farewell address, warned future generations not to get entangled in foreign alliances and specifically not to get involved in European wars.***
The world has changed a lot since then. We have these things called ICBMs, SLBMs and thermonuclear weapons. Maybe, you’ve heard of them?
The Russians have enough nuclear firepower to turn the continental USA into a smoking pile of ashes. Isolationism just won’t work in this day-and-age. The best way to stop Russia throwing its weight around is for the West (working together) to sanction it, help the countries it attacks fight it off (thus weakening it militarily) and build a powerful defence force to deter it. Eventually, the Russian people will get sick of living in poverty and misery and overthrow the psychotic sadists who are in charge there.
***As a result nearly 100,000 US soldiers have been killed in unconstitutional wars since 1945 and trillions of US taxpayer money has been spent***
I remember back in 2002 posters on here were organising pro-war rallies in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq. “Give war a chance” was one of the slogans back then. I guess the political pendulum in the US has swung the other way now.
***Meanwhile, those same presidents, and Congress, have refused to defend the US borders from actual invasions of the homeland in which millions of people have resettled inside the homeland.***
Trump said he would build a wall along the Mexican border. He even said Mexico would pay for it. How did that go?
***Oh but if Putin gets his way in Ukraine, Russia will take over Europe.***
If Ukraine falls then Russia will be straight into neighbouring Moldova, that’s for sure. After succeeding there (with no NATO resistance) he may hit Lithuania next to link up Belarus (Russian ally) with Kaliningrad Oblast (Russian strategic military asset on the Baltic). This could not be ignored by NATO (at least its European members) and would result in a major war.
***Western Europe has already chosen its fate. The Western European nations will be Islamic states by 2050. It is a demographic destiny. Look at London today to see where the EU and Great Britain will be by 2050.***
At the last UK Census (in 2021) 6.5% of the UK was muslim. Even if that doubled in the next 20 years, it’s still a small minority. They certainly won’t be a majority by 2050. Also, British-born muslims are hardly a hostile invading foreign force (like Russia). They are typically much more liberal than their first generation immigrant parents.
***Ukraine is a dictatorship. Zelensky has banned political opposition and elections.***
No, Ukraine is not a dictatorship. All democratic countries postpone elections during major wars where their national survival is at risk. During World War 2 Britain did not have a General Election and it was never invaded by ground forces (unlike Ukraine which is fighting an invader on its own territory).
Political opposition (which is in favour of the enemy) is always suppressed during a major war in a democracy. To do otherwise would be to invite one’s own destruction.
***The press is heavily censored. Religion is oppressed.***
Yes, during a war for national survival there is censorship of the media. We had that in the UK during the World Wars too.
The Russian Orthodox Church has come out solidly behind Putin so you can understand the Ukrainians being very wary of its influence there.
***I hear the pro Ukraine voices say Putin is an evil dictator and he must be stopped.***
Putin is a murdering gangster. Have you forgotten about Bucha, Irpin and Mariupol? Forgotten about Politkovskaya, Litvinenko and Nemtsov? Already forgotten about Navalny?
***If Ukraine is so critical to Europe, the wealthy European nations should gladly pony up the billions needed to prop up the dictator in Ukraine and even shed the blood of their youth.***
They are pouring billions into Ukraine. No one is talking about NATO forces engaging Russia militarily in Ukraine. We are trying to arm Ukraine enough so they can, at least, halt Russia’s advance and then defend a fortified border against it with a view to securing fair ceasefire terms. But Ukraine needs financial support and munitions to do that. It cannot negotiate a Korean War style ceasefire/DMZ situation from a position of weakness.
I think the $300 billion in Russian assets frozen in Europe, the USA and Japan, should be released to support Ukraine’s war effort. (More money than that would be due to Ukraine as war reparations from Russia if there was any chance of making Russia pay out in the future.)
***This isn’t our fight any more than involving ourselves in a civil war in Vietnam was our fight in the 1960’s.***
You decided to get involved in that war on your own. The British government advised you against doing it. Now the whole of free Europe is telling you that Russia is big trouble and needs its wings clipping. Maybe it might be time to listen to them for a change.
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