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To: PIF; george76; brownsfan; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; Reverend Wright; PubliusMM; Faith65; joshua c; ...
This is primarily for people who may not fully grasp the FISA process and what it is capable of. This is not meant as a personal attack on anyone, and I fully admit I can be wrong on things. That said, I did read the linked PDF.

It IS true. The IC cannot TARGET US citizens, any person located inside the US, or a foreigner in the USA.

Of course they cannot TARGET those individuals. Those people need a REAL legal process apart from the FISA StarChamber process. Supposedly.

But. If the IC TARGETS someone who is a non-US Citizen, they are allowed to use the "Two-Hop Rule. As you probably know, it used to be the "Three-Hop Rule". That meant that the agency is allowed to travel “three hops” from its targets who they are targeting.

For the benefit of others who may be following along, under the prior "Three-Hop Rule" was in effect up until 2013. It was changed to the "Two-Hop Rule, which limits the number of people who can be surveilled under that FISA warrant on the foreign national.

Hahahaha...sorry. The use of the word ""limit" probably isn't really appropriate in the same way a pregnancy in a woman might be "limited".

Under the THREE-HOP RULE after 2001 and up until 2013 (when the public suddenly became aware of what the prohibition on surveilling American citizens under that statute, and were rightly horrified) if you were a non-US Citizen (such as obscure aide to Putin, for example) being targeted overseas and you communicated via email, text, or phone with an obscure staffer in the Bush White House, possibly even to simply confirm the arrival of a legitimate package or the time some meeting was going to start, then the agency could go to to the FISA Court and target the poor schlub of a staffer named Joe, saying he was in contact with a suspect foreign national.

Gee. This sure sounds familiar.

If approved, without the poor schlub Joe knowing anything about it, the agency could look at ALL the communications of EVERY SINGLE PERSON that the obscure Bush White House staffer communicated with in the previous FIVE YEARS. Phone. Email. Text. Facebook.

But under that three hop rule, they could collect "masked" data of EVERY KIND that Joe had engaged in, so if he communicated with 192 people in the last five years, then...every single one of THOSE 192 people could have every communication of ANY kind they had with anyone collected. All "masked" of course.

(Note that the 192 value was chosen because the average "friends" based on Facebook (which I have never used) is 192)

And...in the final "hop", everyone one of THOSE 192 people who emailed, called, texted, or Facebooked people, could have THOSE communications collected.

In this example, I am assuming each person ONLY communicates with 192 people based on that average. But honestly, it could be a ten. Or a thousand. But in the case of 192 separate persons communicated with at each "hop", it breaks down like this:

That is a lot of people who can have every communication they ever partook in saved up for analysis. Of course, it is all safe and anonymous. The IC can only view the metadata. Who called whom, date and time, length of call or text, actual phone number called, that kind of thing.

Everything else is "masked". That is, what was actually said in any communication. That data is available, but ostensibly needs an official unmasking request to view the actual contents beyond the metadata. (If I don't have this right, I am certain someone will set me straight, and I welcome that.)

And, in this process, not a SINGLE one of those 5 million people for whom data was actually collected on, will have ANY INDICATION WHATSOEVER that their communications are being scrutinized via a FISA process. There is nobody they can ask WHY? There will never be anyone for them to confront about it. But they are all safe, unless someone in the government requests an "unmasking" of someone collected in that FISA net, and there exists a WIDE variety of all kinds of wonderful people in government can make an unmasking request to look at the names and communication details. NOTE: At this point, I will bring us up to date with the "hop"rules. After 2013, when Edward Snowden's revelations made John Q. Public's hair stand on end, the Obama administration and IC were FORCED to change to the "Two-Hop Rule", and the time interval to go into the past was changed to 1.5 years instead of five years. So, there might be only 30-50,000 US citizens having their personal communications collected and surveilled instead of five million. Back to the regularly scheduled programming.)

With the unmasking to get names and communication details, someone would have to make a formal request of some kind to be recorded. Should be safe.

But is it?

Look at what went on with General Michael Flynn and all in ONE WEEK between 12/15/2016 and 12/23/2016. They were very busy bees.:

On 12/15/2016, Director of National Intelligence Clapper expands rules to allow the National Security Agency (NSA) to widely disseminate classitied surveilance material within the government. The same day, 17 Obama officials request the unmasking of Lt. Gen. Flynn in intelligence.

There were 38 unmasking requests in 24 days from State, CIA, Treasury, Administration.

Well, I would feel better now knowing only those few people making official requests are viewing my personal communications. Hahahaha.

But we are all protected, right? None of us can be spied on by our own government unless there is a GOOD reason, right?

RIGHT?

The point is, this renewal is more of the same. Nothing has changed. Our liberties and privacy are being trampled. We need to make it a national goal to get this FISA process destroyed.

Mike Johnson isn't the cause of this problem. And he isn't the solution. He is part of it. Our problem as the citizenry is to find a way to get around the Deep State, because they are calling the shots right now. So, we must, in some way destroy this surveillance state and root out those who support it. If destroying this surveillance state means more violence or terror, we will have to figure out how to deal with it. Because our country, formed only to work under a moral and just people, will not survive this.

Because too many Americans are neither moral, nor just.

And the biggest lesson is: This kind of power cannot be trusted to ANY human. We are too flawed, and the temptations are too great.

170 posted on 04/12/2024 3:23:35 PM PDT by rlmorel (In Today's Democrat America, The $5 Dollar Bill is the New $1 Dollar Bill.)
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To: rlmorel
Because our country, formed only to work under a moral and just people, will not survive this.

That is probably the single most key element of your entire body of work.

171 posted on 04/12/2024 3:26:23 PM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: rlmorel

You remind me of the soldier who was marching out of step. His mother saw him and said: “Look, everyone is out of step except Johnny.”

I don’t know who you are, or who the hell you think you are. You wasted a lot of time writing your crap.

I do know who Steve Bannon is, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Dan Bongino, etc. It is incumbent upon you to notify all these people and set them straight, that they are wrong, and only you are right.


173 posted on 04/12/2024 3:29:09 PM PDT by odawg
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To: rlmorel

To top things off, so many of these government goons are deviants.


175 posted on 04/12/2024 3:49:30 PM PDT by OldHarbor
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To: rlmorel

Excellent presentation; and Thank You!


176 posted on 04/12/2024 3:52:49 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: rlmorel

Well said. Thank you for posting that.


178 posted on 04/12/2024 3:56:26 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Stay the course!)
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To: rlmorel

Thanks.


179 posted on 04/12/2024 3:56:36 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Brandon's pronouns: Xi/Hur)
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To: rlmorel

“This is primarily for people who may not fully grasp the FISA process and what it is capable of.”

Have you been living under a rock? You do know that the FBI used FISA to spy on Trump? You did not know that? And Trump is an American citizen. Do you really think that Trump was engaged in activity that justified a FISA warrant on him? And the FBI used a FISA warrant on most of the Trump team.


183 posted on 04/12/2024 4:07:18 PM PDT by odawg
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To: rlmorel

Just plain excellent summary!

The communists who rule us are on a roll...
They know that the serfs don’t want to hear about any of the uncontrolled trampling of our Constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms & liberties...

The communists that their destruction of the United States of America was guaranteed on the day that lying sack of communist crap, FDR, decided to “temporarily” steal tax money directly out of our paychecks and envelopes...

I was 10-years old at the time and living with grandparents since both parents were away because of the war...
My brother and I spent an untold number of hours listening to my grandfather & grandmother ranting and raving about the future under communism that our grandchildren and beyond would suffer under...

Distraction of the war was perfect and “temporally” became “permanent”...

The actual reason for the theft of these moneys, future administrations could run wild with the unregulated spending required that would in a few generations sink capitalism...

Many warnings were voiced...
Absolutely none of them were taken seriously...

There remains only one possible way to throw of our chains and reclaim our freedoms & liberties...


188 posted on 04/12/2024 4:54:47 PM PDT by SuperLuminal ( Where is Samuel Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: rlmorel
"Because our country, formed only to work under a moral and just people, will not survive this."

This...

190 posted on 04/12/2024 5:16:19 PM PDT by Danie_2023
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To: rlmorel

You do know that all electronic communications (including landline phones) worldwide have been intercepted since the 1950? And that has been common knowledge since the 1980s (check you local library for further information)?

So now you are complaining?


197 posted on 04/13/2024 4:48:26 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: rlmorel

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ~John Adams


198 posted on 04/13/2024 6:50:01 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: rlmorel
Sure they can "target" any US individual.

Because you see, spooks don't play fair.

Hard to believe, huh?

They have non-US "assets" covertly employed which they can designate as "targets" when needed.

You get an email or phone call from out of the blue from someone you never heard of and CONGRATULATIONS you're a target too!

211 posted on 04/13/2024 1:31:49 PM PDT by JustaTech (My mind is the weapon. Everything else is tools.)
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