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To: Monterrosa-24
You are so anti-intellectual.

One readily observes your towering intellect.

Borrowing a beautiful line from the Salvadoran Hymn does not mean I am not a loyal American.

Neither does it mean you are an American, loyal or otherwise. Your skipping a response about your apparently non-existent military service is self-explanatory.

But I do have a fondness for the Salvadoran people and was there when they battled you communist Soviet-backed zip wads and was there all or part of every calendar year from 1984 to 1993.

I am sure you fought with great bravery as a keyboard commando and are a decorated veteran of the keyboard wars.

Nobody reads your long documents.

Well, you do. Or are you complaining about stuff when you have not read it and do not know what it says. But, of course you do not like historical documents, preferring for example, to provide a link to a propaganda article about the Budapest Memorandum rather than simply provide the text of the actual Budapest Memorandum which contradicts your propaganda. You propagandists gotta do what you gotta do—make crap up and shovel it by the pantsload.

Thank you for your kind participation in creating a thread which provides a one-stop shopping experience for all those wanting facts, suich as the Arestovych prediction, 'any talk of Ukrainian accession to Nato would "provoke Russia to launch a large-scale military operation against Ukraine." Ukraine's price for joining Nato, he said, would be large-scale war with Russia.'

I am sure you sticking a sock in it and throwing tiny-fisted tantrums provides amusement for many.

Gee, why don’t you cut and paste the Communist Party Congress reports (commonly used as toilet paper in the Soviet Union since real toilet paper was unavailable),

Speaking of toilet paper, let it never be said that your twaddle serves no useful purpose. I print it out, cut it up into four inch squares, and store it in the little reading room in the hope that your brilliance will rub off on me.

YOUR LESSON:

The Budapest Memorandum was not a Treaty or binding agreement on the part of anybody, and its purpose was not to guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine; but giving up the nukes was a condition precedent imposed upon Ukraine jointly by Russia and the United States in order to receive official recognition.

Ukraine had agreed and bound itself to get rid of the nukes in 1992 with the Lisbon Protocol. According to Volodmyr Vasylenko, Ukraine’s former representative at NATO, who took part in drawing up the conceptual principles and specific provisions of the Budapest memorandum: “Ukraine had to give up nuclear weapons for it to become sovereign state and its independent status to be recognized all over the world.” As Ukrainian President Kravchuck stated, "All the control systems were in Russia. The so-called black suitcase with the start button, that was with Russian president Boris Yeltsin. ... Additionally, the West threatened Ukraine with isolation since the missiles were supposedly aimed at the United States." Therefore, "the only possible decision" was to give up the weapons, according to Kravchuk.

Moreover, Ukraine did not first agree to get rid of the nukes with the Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine signed in agreement to the Lisbon Protocol of May 23, 1992 to adhere to the Non-Proliferation Treaty in the shortest possible time. The Protocol and the correspondence of President GHW Bush leave no room for misunderstanding. Ukraine delayed and delayed and tried to submit a partial surrender of nukes which was met by a refusal to even receive it. Then they got their mind right and signed for recognition. The United States and Russia joined in turning the screws on Ukraine to get rid of the nukes.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/27389.pdf

START Treaty

LISBON PROTOCOL of May 23, 1992

Protocol to the Treaty between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms

ARTICLE V

The Republic of Byelarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan, and Ukraine shall adhere to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of July 1, 1968 as non-nuclear weapon states Parties in the shortest possible time, and shall begin immediately to take all necessary action to this end in accordance with their constitutional practices.

https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/letter-us-president-g-h-w-bush-ukrainian-president-l-kravchuk

Letter from US President G. H. W. Bush to Ukrainian President L. Kravchuk, June 23, 1992

Dear Mr. President:

On May 23 in Lisbon, five nations signed a protocol which opened the way for all five to ratify and become parties to the START Treaty. This historic accomplishment recognizes the essential role of Ukraine in fulfilling the obligations of the former Soviet Union under the Treaty. Imlementation of the START Treaty will enhance stability by substantially reducing nuclear weapons and strategic offensive arms and by laying a foundation for further reductions. The United States looks forward to working with Ukraine as a full and equal partner in implementing the Treaty and reducing the burden of nuclear weapons that are a legacy of the former Soviet Union.

As part of this agreement, Ukraine will adhere to the Non-Proliferation Treaty in the shortest possible time. This is an important step along the path laid out in the statement of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on the non-nuclear status of Ukraine. When the Non-Proliferation Treaty was negotiated in 1968 the United States formally declared its intention to seek immediate action in the United Nations Security Council to provide assistance to any non-nuclear weapons state party that is the object of aggression or threats of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used. Mr. President, let me formally state that the United States stands by that commitment to Ukraine.

[...]

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/qviw5v-c5kmg/28.pdf

Letter from President George H. W. Bush to President Leonid Kravchuk via Privacy Channels. December 4, 1992.

Over the past year, the United States and its partners have welcomed Ukraine into the western community of nations. Ukraine is a party to csce and the CFE treaty, and a member of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council. Ukraine has demonstrated its commitment to peace by the bravery of your peacekeepers now on duty in Bosnia. Ukraine's pledge in its declaration of sovereignty to be a non-nuclear state has been particularly welcomed throughout the world.

The subsequent Budapest Memorandum of 1994 non-binding assurance given to Ukraine was:

Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Budapest, 5 December 1994.

Certificate of registration of the Memorandum on security assurances with the United Nations Secretariat, 2 October 2014. (by Ukraine, twenty years after the Memorandum)

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non­-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

United Nations Security Council (UNSC) action was sought and Ukraine received such UNSC action as it is likely to get. As Ukraine and the rest of the world well knew when Ukraine signed the NPT and the Memorandum, Russia holds a Security Council veto.

Security "assurances" are non-binding political promises, unlike the legally enforceable "guarantees" of treaties. It is like the difference between a pinky swear and an enforceable contract. And the assurance was to refer acts of aggression to the UN Security Council.

153 posted on 04/02/2024 12:41:19 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

You mean you didn’t read my about page? Oh yeah, you Russian trolls usually don’t have an about page. I have one and it would answer your question about military service. Go back to your LGBTQP brethren and continue your hatred of Ukraine and your love for the boy-kisser Putin.


154 posted on 04/02/2024 12:46:12 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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