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To: Monterrosa-24
I do but speak the truth.

Alas, you say nothing in your endeavor.

And I do it without cutting and pasting.

Saying nothing without cutting and pasting is quite a talent.

I actually type

That is unfortunate. Mine types itself. Like you, no research, and it all just magically appears.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6Tuz3EXQAABURc?format=jpg&name=900x900

US Secretary of State, James Baker, addressing Gorbachev, 9 February 1990, at the Kremlin, Moscow, on a unified Germany joining NATO + no NATO expansion

United States Department of State
Washington, D.C. 20520

Memcon from 2/9/90
meeting w/USSR Prem.
Gorbachev & FM
Shevardnadze, Moscow,
USSR

MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

Date: Friday, February 9, 1990
Time: 1:00 pm - 3:00 pm
Place: Kremlin

PARTICIPANTS:
Secretary Baker
President Gorgachev
Eduard Shevardnadze

We understand the need for assurances to the countries in the East. If we maintain a presence in a Germany that is a part of NATO, there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east. At the end of the day, if it is acceptable to everyone, we could have discussions in a two plus foukr context that might achieve this kind of an otcome. Maybe there is a better way to deal with the external consequences of German unification. And if there is I am not aware of it. We don't have German agreement but we have mentioned it to Genmscher and he said he wants to think about it Dumas liked it and now I have mentioned it to you.

Source: US National Security Archive
https://nsarchive.gwu/document-05-memorandum-conversation-between [dead link]

and it ain’t propaganda.

Heck, this post ain't nuthin at all. Didn't address, much less rebut, anything I posted.

It is the truth that Moscow’s Neo-Bolsheviks fear.

Ah yes. Your "truth" is the same pravda I pulled off the air 55 years ago at work. I see it hasn't changed much.

143 posted on 04/01/2024 11:14:40 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

You addressed absolutely nothing that I posted about the Donbas. You simply push the myth that NATO encroachment caused the war which is idiotic.

The cause of the Russian invasion of the Republic of Georgia was Russian imperial tradition and Putin’s Soviet mindset.

The cause of the Russian invasions of Ukraine was Russian imperial tradition and Putin’s Soviet mindset.

You are a criminal that fosters the Stalin/Lenin genocide in Ukraine.


144 posted on 04/01/2024 11:35:49 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: woodpusher; Veto!; Apparatchik; Monterrosa-24

The outer perimeter, is the border of Ukraine, and nothing inside, is Russian territory.


https://twitter.com/BrilliantMaps/status/1498655743167315976

Electoral Geography:

https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/countries/u/ukraine/ukraine-independence-referendum-1991.html

- - - Ethnic Groups in Ukraine - 1926 Soviet Cencus

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Moscow's proxy war in, and invasion of, Ukraine, was planned by Putin, long ago:

Putin began planning the invasion of Georgia, in 1999.

Putin began planning the invasion of Ukraine, in 2003. See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2AwAXcScds

On The Effective Use of Proxy Warfare - by Andrew Lewis Peek, May 2021, Dissertation for PhD

CHAPTER THREE: RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, 2013-2016 [pg 118 of 446 in the PDF file] "This chapter will examine Russia’s use of proxy forces in Ukraine from the beginning of demonstrations in Kiev’s Maidan Square on November 21, 2013 to the dissipation of the conflict in 2016. Though it covers all the high-intensity periods of the war, this chapter is focused on the fighting in Donbas and not Russia’s takeover of Crimea."

The Budapest Memorandum And The Russia-Ukraine Crisis

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145 posted on 04/01/2024 11:46:13 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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