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Why Haiti is Dying & the DR is Booming
Real Life Lore ^ | 26/1/24

Posted on 03/26/2024 2:17:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

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Great time to have an open border--NOT!
1 posted on 03/26/2024 2:17:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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The DR is NOT booming! Cut the crap. Too many of their people in this country illegally.

I’ll say this. If it’s a step ahead then they should take over entire the island. They claim it as theirs.


2 posted on 03/26/2024 2:19:30 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Eleutheria5

Because they speak French ilo Spanish?


3 posted on 03/26/2024 2:20:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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Why? The difference is as clear as black and… different shades of brown.


4 posted on 03/26/2024 2:21:27 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (America needs a Conservative DICTATOR if it hopes to survive. )
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I wish I had a Time Machine so I could go back and kill every slave owner.

Every beautiful island in the Caribbean is ruined via importation of negroes.
Imagine Haiti and DR if it was white.


5 posted on 03/26/2024 2:23:48 PM PDT by EEGator
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The slaves were uneducated when they revolted and kicked out the French.

DR was ruled by the Spaniards so they were actually invested on their side of the island.

So that's why DR is more civilized compared to Haiti.

Nothing to do with race.

6 posted on 03/26/2024 2:24:59 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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Because they speak French ilo Spanish?


Yep, that’s the reason I’d give if asked the question!


7 posted on 03/26/2024 2:25:28 PM PDT by hanamizu ( )
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8 posted on 03/26/2024 2:28:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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0:00·Haiti a country of nearly 12 million people in the Caribbean is on the brink of total State collapse around 200
0:06·different heavily armed gangs have managed to seize control over large swats of the country's territory and are operating with near impunity while some
0:13·of the more heavily armed gangs that are more similar to paramilitaries have managed to seize control over as much as 90% of Haiti's capital and largest city
0:20·Port of Prince these gangs have been able to completely overpower what little is left in the country of the former
0:26·Haitian government some of the larger and more heavily armed ones have even managed to establish roadblocks and
0:31·checkpoints between Porta Prince and the country's largest airport and between Porta Prince and the country's primary
0:36·Maritime ports and oil terminals by doing so they have in effect become capable of holding the entire country as
0:42·a hostage by dominating Haiti' access to the outside world and access to Imports of crucial supplies and oil there's
0:49·hardly even a Haitian government left in the country to speak of that's actually capable of fighting back against them
0:54·because there aren't even any elected government officials remaining in the country at all now the most recently elected president of P jovenel moisy was
1:01·assassinated 2 and 1/2 years ago now back in July of 2021 by still unidentified gunmen who raided his own
1:08·private residence in fact no elections of any kind have been held in Haiti since 2016 nearly 8 years ago now as
1:15·before Moy was assassinated he chose to continually delay the Haitian elections that were supposed to take place in 2019
1:21·his choice to delay those elections along with corruption allegations and a worsening economy in the island nation
1:26·led to mass protests against him that ultimately culminated in his assassination in July of 2021 under
1:32·deeply suspicious circumstances the gunmen who murdered him are assumed to continue remaining at large while hadi's
1:38·own governmental investigation into the matter has been extremely slow-going a fact that appears very suspicious when
1:44·you consider that merely 2 days before moisy was assassinated moisey had appointed a man named Ariel Henry to
1:51·become the country's next prime minister then 2 Days Later moisy was killed in his home and Ariel Henry Rose to power
1:58·as hadi's new acting Prime prime minister without ever being ratified by the country Senate after taking over
2:04·Henry has also continually delayed elections in the country for the past 2 and 1/2 years meaning that since no new
2:10·president has ever been elected and every single member in the Senate's terms have all been allowed to expire Henry has been acting as Haiti's deao
2:17·leader this whole entire time without ever being elected or approved by the Senate to do so there have been multiple
2:23·accusations ever since that Henry was directly involved in the plot to assassinate moisei so that he could
2:29·seize power in the country for himself including accusations that have come from hadi's Chief prosecutor and then
2:35·merely 2 months after moy's suspicious assassination rocked Haiti politically a devastating 7.2 magnitude earthquake
2:43·struck Haiti's tiberon peninsula in August of 2021 that would rock Haiti even further that disaster would kill
2:50·around 2,250 people in the country and injure more than 12,000 others and would also
2:56·cause up to $1.7 billion in economic destruction for ha 0 representing about 8% of the entire Haitian nominal GDP at
3:03·the time so if you're following in the span of Just 2 months across the summer of 2021 Haiti witnessed their elected
3:09·president get assassinated then a catastrophic earthquake that caus significant financial and human destruction and on top of those a new
3:16·unelected and unratified leader who Rose to power under these circumstances and who became immediately viewed by the
3:21·majority of Haitians as completely illegitimate it was the perfect opportunity for many of Haiti's heavily
3:27·armed gangs many of which consisted of former members of the haian police to begin seizing advantage of the power
3:33·vacuum and the chaos to carve out their own areas of influence through Force violence of all kinds within Haiti has
3:39·therefore skyrocketed ever since 2021 largely as a result of the gang war that has been raging across the country's
3:45·capital city with the United Nations reporting that more than 3,000 people in Haiti have been killed by gang violence
3:51·in 2023 alone a statistic that makes the current conflict going on in Haiti one of the most violent ongoing conflicts in
3:58·the entire world right now with a comparable number of deaths from Warfare in 2023 as happened in Yemen as a result
4:04·in July of 2023 the Biden Administration in the United States urged All American citizens to immediately leave from Haiti
4:11·and to not travel to the country under any circumstances until further notice as Haiti continues to collapse into
4:17·increasingly violent Anarchy moreover since the current crisis in Haiti exploded in mid 2021 well over a 100,000
4:25·hazian have fled from their country as refugees and risked their lives either by traveling into South America and then
4:30·trekking by foot through the notoriously dangerous Daran Gap northwards to the United States or have embarked towards
4:37·US Territory directly by whatever makeshift boats or water capable crafts they've been able to get their hands on
4:42·which has recently made Haitians one of the largest nationalities of people being encountered by the United States border patrol ever since due to the fact
4:50·that the various gangs in Haiti currently control an estimated 90% of the capital and largest city in the country and the government has
4:55·completely lost its Monopoly on Force the unelected aeriel Henry Administration has been repeatedly
5:01·requesting and at times pleading for a foreign armed intervention into the country to crush the power of the gangs
5:07·and to restore the power and authority of the government across the whole country after which Henry has promised
5:13·to finally host the terminally delayed elections in Haiti again on the 2nd of October 2023 his frequent requests for
5:19·this foreign intervention were finally granted after the United Nations security Council passed a resolution
5:24·authorizing yet another armed intervention into Haiti as the details currently stand now as of December 2023
5:31·the United States will be largely funding the intervention with more than $100 million while the East African
5:36·nation of Kenya will be taking the lead of the intervention with boots on the ground they will be deploying at least a thousand of their own police officers
5:42·and soldiers to Haiti with the objective of destroying the gangs control over the capital and restoring the authority of
5:48·the Haitian government and they'll be assisted by smaller numbers of troops deployed from the neighboring Caribbean countries of Jamaica the Bahamas and
5:54·Antigua and Barbuda but this latest intervention into Haiti going on right now is only the most most recent one in
6:00·a very very long history of foreign interventions into the country that have gone back centuries none of which have
6:06·ever succeeded in establishing the conditions to prevent another intervention from becoming necessary again in the future out of the past 108
6:14·years of History going back to 1915 Haiti has seen the presence of foreign troops deployed to its soil for 41 of
6:21·those years or about 38% of the time including very recently in 1994 and then
6:26·again between 2004 and 2019 andu to be yet again in 2023 and likely 2024 until
6:33·who knows when always in the name of securing the peace in the country and achieving political stability and yet
6:38·never actually succeeding in doing so the current crisis going on in Haiti is however arguably the worst in the
6:44·country's entire modern history as Haiti currently stands on the precipice of becoming the only truly failed state in
6:50·the Western Hemisphere On a par with the likes of mear Sudan or Afghanistan as measured by 2023 is addition of the
6:57·fragile States index and as Haiti collapses further into Anarchy and violence and the United Nations
7:03·intervention led by Kenya and funded by the United States comes to try and restore order to the country again Haiti's only Geographic neighbor by land
7:10·right next door the Dominican Republic or Dr is building a new Great Wall along their entire length of shared border to
7:17·separate themselves from the Haitians even more than they already are the Dominicans began the Wall's Construction
7:22·in February of 2023 as the gang war in Haiti was escalating and when it's finished it will be the second longest
7:29·wall anywhere in the Americas remaining only behind the length of the US Mexico border wall it'll be 4 M high and made
7:35·up of 20 cm thick concrete and topped with metal mesh to prevent people from climbing over it more than 70
7:41·watchtowers are planned to be constructed along the wall while dozens of gates will be built into it to enable Dominican soldiers to carry out patrols
7:48·the wall will include drones cameras Radars motion sensors and fiber optic cables for communications that are all
7:54·designed to block anyone the Dominicans don't want from the Haitian side from being able to cross over the border and
8:00·once it's completed the wall will effectively transform Haiti and the Dominican Republic into two completely
8:06·separate Islands despite them each sharing the same Geographic Island and despite the fact that they've shared
8:11·this same island for centuries the Dominican Republic in Haiti ended up experiencing radically different
8:17·Destinies and even without the wall the two may as well already be in completely different worlds in nominal terms the
8:24·Dominican Republic's economy is 4 and 1 half times larger than Haiti while in purchasing power parity terms the
8:30·Dominican Republic's economy is seven times larger than Haiti despite the two countries having a roughly comparable
8:36·population this further means that when it comes to GDP per capita Dominicans are on average 5 to eight times
8:41·wealthier than Haitians are next door with citizens of the Dominican Republic being more comparable to countries like
8:46·Serbia or Argentina and citizens of Haiti being more comparable to countries like Rwanda and Uganda in terms of
8:52·poverty about 58% of Haitians live on less than $365 a day making Haiti one of only six
8:59·countries worldwide outside of subsaharan Africa where the majority of the population continues to live under
9:04·poverty by comparison only 4.3% of the Dominican Republic's population still lives in poverty while Dominicans also
9:10·live around a decade longer than Haitians do 98% of the Dominican Republic's population have access to
9:16·electricity while only 47% of Haitians do which once again makes Haiti one of
9:21·only two countries anywhere in the world outside of subsaharan Africa where the majority of the population still doesn't
9:27·have any access to Electric Haiti is on the brink of becoming a failed state with runaway violence and
9:33·is one of the most hopelessly impoverished countries in the world while the Dominican Republic right next door is on the cusp of transitioning
9:40·into a high inome fully developed country by the end of the decade in 2030 if Haiti remains more or less in the
9:47·same state as it is now by then there will probably be no other greater disparity in the entire world across
9:52·borders by levels of development and income other than the Saudi and Oman borders with Yemen and the South Korea
9:58·Russia China borders with North Korea so how did this very unique situation on this island develop in the first place
10:04·why did Haiti and the Dominican Republic despite existing together on the same island for centuries and having a very
10:10·comparable current population size end up so vastly different from one another and so separate from each other some of
10:17·the factors that explain this difference today are historical reasons but they don't explain the whole picture you see
10:23·the island that they both exist on Hispanola was initially colonized by the Spanish but it was first legally divided
10:28·in 1997 by the Treaty of riswick that formerly established a Spanish colony in the Eastern 2/3 of the island and a
10:34·French colony in the western third though the borders between them were slightly different than they are today from the very beginning of this division
10:41·of the island though the French and the Spanish treated their separate colonies on either side radically differently the
10:46·Spanish ended up pursuing a policy that was more focused on settler colonialism over on their side with more limited
10:51·amounts of slavery by the standards of the Tie by the end of the 18th century the modern Dominican Republic still
10:57·under Spanish colonial rule only had had a population of about 104,000 people only 30,000 of whom were enslaved people
11:04·from Africa and meanwhile the French over on their side of the island treated things extremely different they pursued
11:10·a policy of historically enormous exploitation the likes of which have hardly ever been seen before since it's
11:16·estimated that across the 18th century alone the French forcibly transported approximately 800,000 Africans from
11:23·their continent to modern-day Hadi of slaves a figure that represents nearly double the number of African slaves
11:29·brought to the entire North American continent during the entirety of the North Atlantic slave trade by 1789 on
11:35·the eve of the French Revolution it's estimated that Haiti's population was around 556 th000 people which was a
11:42·little more than five times the total population of the neighboring Spanish Colonial Dominican Republic but only
11:48·32,000 of the people who lived in Haiti at that time were European whites there were an additional 24,000 freed people
11:55·of color and an estimated 500,000 African an and their descendants Bound in the chains of slavery
12:02·outnumbering their white Colonial Masters by a ratio of nearly 16 to1
12:07·France used all of these slaves as their labor source to work across the vast sugar and coffee plantations that they
12:13·set up all across the island which for a Time made Haiti the most lucrative and financially valuable colony in the
12:19·entire world for the people who actually dominated it so ruthlessly by 1789
12:25·roughly half of all the sugar and coffee that was being consumed in Europe came from the slave plantations of Haiti and
12:30·they helped to make the French Kingdom the wealthiest in Europe at the time Haiti would also become independent
12:35·decades before the Dominican Republic would and through far more violent circumstances in the midst of the chaos
12:42·of the French Revolution the slaves of Haiti who vastly outnumbered their colonial Masters rose up in a violent
12:47·revolution of their own in 1791 across the next 13 years both the haian slaves
12:53·and the colonial French engaged in a brutal genocidal war of annihilation against the other wherein an estimated
13:00·200,000 Haitians would die and virtually the entire Colonial white population of Haiti would be either killed themselves
13:07·or driven out of the country never to return by 1804 the French had given up and retreated from their former Colony
13:14·but they along with the vast majority of the rest of the outside world continued refusing to recognize Haiti's
13:19·Independence for decades and although Haiti had paid dearly with blood for their sovereignty between 1791 and 1804
13:26·they weren't finished paying for their sovereignty with treasure yet and they wouldn't be for a very long time in 1825
13:33·French warships showed up outside the Haitian Capital port a prince they gave the Haitians only two options one they
13:40·could accept a deal in which France would finally recognize Haiti's Independence in exchange for Haiti
13:45·agreeing to financially compensate France for their loss of property experienced during the Haitian
13:50·revolution including France's loss of their hundreds of thousands of former slaves which France asserted was 150
13:58·million Franks Haiti could either accept this backwards deal or refuse and take option two war and then the French
14:05·warship sitting in the harbor would simply blow up everything they could and port a prince with a gun pointed to
14:10·their head Haiti selected option one and agreed to pay their former Colonial slave masters for their own Freedom that
14:16·they had already paid for with blood the debt became known as the French Indemnity and although France would
14:22·technically later reduced the amount owed by the Haitians to 90 million Franks the indemnity economically
14:28·hobbled for more than a century afterwards as they struggled paying it back with meager resources of their own
14:34·and a continued lack of international recognition Beyond France that limited their trade opportunities the Haitians
14:40·were in no financial position to pay back France's Indemnity that was forced upon them they then resorted to several
14:45·Desperate Measures to help pay back the debt that included cutting down massive amounts of their own trees for their
14:51·timber in order to sell to the French which contributed greatly to Haiti's modern catastrophic deforestation
14:58·problem and then with no recognition by the United States or from other European powers Haiti was then forced into taking
15:04·out several predatory loans from French banks to help pay off their original 1825 Indemnity that was forced upon them
15:11·by the French government which transformed their original debt into effectively a double debt the original
15:16·Indemnity plus all of the interest on the loans that they were then forced to take out in order to pay the original
15:22·Indemnity Haiti's government coffers remain depleted and empty for decades and decades as they continually made
15:28·attempts to pay off this debt and the French continually threatened to bomb their ports if they didn't pay by the
15:34·1880s the Haitian double debt was acquired by the modern cic bank that is still headquartered in Paris today while
15:40·the payments continued cic created Haiti's First Central Bank in 1880 but it was a bank that they owned as a front
15:46·for their own financial interest in Haiti the central bank was owned by cic instead of by the Haitian government
15:52·itself and then the precursor of today's City Bank headquartered in New York acquired a stake in the Haitian Central
15:58·Bank in the Haitian double debt in the early 20th century by the 1920s City Bank had bought out or outmaneuvered the
16:04·other European shareholders in the Haitian Central Bank and so all of hai's double debt repayments on the original
16:09·1825 French Indemnity began flowing to Wall Street afterwards City Bank was
16:14·then able to use its control over the Haitian Central Bank to impose tens of millions of dollars of additional
16:20·predatory loans on the country in order to service their original 1825 Indemnity
16:25·a situation that American Communists at the time described as transforming Haiti into an American slave Colony it wasn't
16:32·until 1935 that the Haitian Central Bank gained its actual independence from City Bank and it wasn't until 1947 that Haiti
16:40·managed to finally pay off the double debt that had been originally imposed on them by France
16:45·122 years previously in total the Haitians ended up paying a total of 112
16:51·million Franks on their double debt or about $570 million in today's money this
16:57·siphoning off of ha meager resources to banks in France and in the United States over more than a century prevented the
17:03·Haitians from being able to use that money to invest in themselves with things like better infrastructure education or health care services in
17:10·2022 the New York Times released a landmark investigation into the lasting Legacy of this double debt forced upon
17:17·haian society and concluded that had all of that money stayed within Haiti from the very beginning and was used for
17:23·their own development and compounded over the past two centuries of history since then it would have been worth a
17:29·minimum of approximately $21 billion in today's money and potentially as much as
17:34·$115 billion by other estimates after the Dominican Republic gained their own independence they would never face this
17:41·same kind of debt problem that was forced upon them by their former Colonial overlords that lasted well into
17:47·the mid 20th century and so they would have greater opportunities to invest resources into themselves from earlier
17:53·on but that's still only a part of the full explanation into how they became so different today in the 21st century you
18:00·see the Dominican Republic achieved its first independence from Spain in 1821 under much better circumstances that
18:06·Haiti achieved theirs from France but immediately afterwards Haiti decided to invade and conquer the Dominican
18:13·Republic just the following year in 1822 3 years before the double debt was
18:18·forced upon them by France after the double debt was forced on them the Haitians attempted to then Force the
18:24·Dominicans they had conquered to help pay it off by levying very high tax on them the Haitians would end up occupying
18:30·the Dominican Republic for a total of 22 years as they attempted to incorporate the entire Island under the rule of
18:36·Haiti an occupation that is remembered within the Dominican Republic today as a particularly brutal and dark period in
18:42·their history that continues to negatively influence Dominican Republic Haiti relations to this day eventually
18:48·the Dominican Republic was able to fight off their Haitian occupiers in 1844 after 22 years of control but the
18:54·Haitians refused to recognize their independence and would launch four more milit military invasions into the
18:59·Dominican Republic until they were finally decisively defeated for good in 1856 it wouldn't be all the way until
19:07·1867 that Haiti would finally recognize the Dominican Republic's Independence and abandoned their ambition to dominate
19:14·the entire Island from there the two sides of the same island experienced fairly similar histories for a very long
19:20·time although the Dominican Republic didn't have the same exact kind of debt issues that Haiti had both were
19:26·impoverished and politically unstable countries susceptible to violence and authoritarian dictatorships for decades
19:32·for a Time the United States even invaded and occupied both of them for very similar reasons ensuring that both
19:37·of their debts continued being paid to Wall Street City Bank was able to convince the United States to invade and
19:43·occupy Haiti in 1915 while the Dominican Republic was invaded and occupied by American troops the following year in
19:49·1916 for 7 years the United States occupied the entirety of Hispanola and
19:55·meddled around with the Border further to create the modern bound boundary between Haiti and the Dominican Republic that we know today the United States
20:02·withdrew from the Dominican Republic in 1924 but continued occupying Haiti for the next decade until 1934 representing
20:09·a 19- yearlong occupation of Haiti by the United States and representing one of the longest foreign occupations in
20:16·all of American History Allis city Bank was able to expand its economic control over the country and impose new
20:21·predatory loans on the Haitian government in the process then after the United States withdrew from both
20:27·countries the Republic and Haiti alike experienced long periods of authoritarian dictatorial rule that saw
20:33·little economic progress being made for decades the Dominican Republic came under the control of a former General
20:38·named rapael truo in 1930 just 6 years after the Americans left the country
20:44·while Haiti eventually coalesced under the control of another dictator named Francois duvalier in 1957 tru's police
20:51·state in the Dominican Republic lasted for 31 years until he was assassinated in 1961 leading to another period of
20:57·Chaos in the the Dominican Republic that culminated with a civil war in the country blowing up in 1965 then fearful of the Communist
21:04·Regime in Cuba's ability to influence the Civil War and flipped the Dominican Republic into another Caribbean
21:09·communist state the United States intervened directly in the Dominican Civil War and found itself occupying the
21:15·Dominican Republic again but after that the United States was able to organize elections in the country in 1966 and
21:21·withdrew the same year and there has never been another foreign intervention or occupation of the Dominican Republic
21:27·ever since Since the situation in Haiti meanwhile turned out very differently Haiti was dominated by franois dualer
21:34·and his own authoritarian police state until his own death in 1971 but unlike tru's long regime in the Dominican
21:41·Republic that collapsed immediately after his death the dualer regime in Haiti survived with a succession of
21:46·franois duvalier's son Jean Claude duvalier who continued ruling the country as an authoritarian police state
21:52·for the next 15 years up until 1986 when he was finally overthrown by a cou d'a
21:59·during these 29 years that the dualer regime survived in Haiti it was consistently supported and propped up by
22:05·the United States because of the duvalier's harsh anti-communist policies that Washington saw as vital to
22:10·counterbalancing communist Cuba in the Caribbean only 50 Mi away from Haiti communist activities within Haiti were
22:17·punishable by the death penalty under the duvalay and as many as 60,000 Haitians were killed by their seet
22:24·police so ultimately while the Dominican Republic emerged from their authoritarian dictatorship and Civil War
22:29·period in 1966 Haiti wouldn't end up emerging from their dictatorship period until 20 years later in
22:36·1986 and they've never been able to emerge from their chaotic period afterwards up to the point of 1966 when
22:43·the Dominican Republic successfully held elections and the United States withdrew from the country the Dominican Republic and Haiti were basically two sides of
22:50·the same coin both were highly impoverished and underdeveloped with very similarly sized economies very
22:56·similar incomes very similar population sizes and both had been isolated from the outside world for decades because of
23:02·long-standing authoritarian dictatorships and or continuous political instability that had long scared away foreign investment but then
23:09·things started changing for the Dominican Republic in the late 1960s and early 1970s as the country began
23:15·successfully reforming itself becoming more democratic more stable and steadily opening up more to trade with the
23:21·outside world it's at this moment that when you compare the graphs of inflation adjusted GDP per capita between the
23:27·Dominican Republic in Haiti that you begin to see the Dominican Republic finally start rapidly accelerating away
23:33·from Haiti and the strange part about this graph is that the absolute all-time high of Haiti's GDP per capita to date
23:40·was actually backed during the repressive Duval dictatorship period all the way back in 1980 ever since then for
23:47·more than 40 years now Haiti GDP per capita has either decreased continually
23:52·or remain largely stagnant while the Dominican Republics has continually exploded up upwards so clearly while
24:00·deep historical factors have played a role in Haiti's crippling poverty and instability today the very clear
24:05·economic Divergence between Haiti and the Dominican Republic didn't actually start happening until fairly recently
24:12·after 1968 and there are probably many many reasons for that for one foreign
24:17·investors like investing in countries that are politically stable over ones that are not and Haiti has continued
24:23·being chronically unstable ever since 1986 after the impressive 29- yearlong
24:29·duvalier regime was overthrown that year the Haitian military established a transitional regime until the first open
24:34·and free elections in Haitian history were held in 1990 which resulted in the first election of Jean Bertrand aristy
24:42·the first democratically elected leader of Haiti's modern history however he was only able to serve as the country's
24:48·president for 7 months until September of 1991 when the military decided to launch another coup and overthrow him
24:55·which led to the Clinton Administration in the United States to initiate an economic blockade of Haiti with new
25:00·trade restrictions that impoverished the country even further and then eventually the Clinton Administration authorized a
25:06·new American Military intervention into the country in 1994 to topple the military hunter from power and restore
25:13·aisti back to the presidency the United States sent two aircraft carriers to Haiti and more than 20,000 troops during
25:20·operation uphold democracy in 1994 and then faced with this overwhelming Firepower the haian military hund
25:27·collapsed and conceited power to avoid a war they knew they would lose aristy was
25:33·then reinstated as the country's president and then he would win reelection again for another term in
25:38·2001 but then after the United States military intervened to restore him to power and after Ain won his next
25:44·election again in 2001 he would end up doing something that would really really piss off both the United States and
25:51·France he didn't start committing massive human rights violations he didn't start any wars or start any trade
25:57·disputes what he did was far worse he had the goal in 2003 to become the first
26:04·and so far only leader in Haiti's entire history to formally demand that
26:09·reparations be paid to Haiti from France over the indemnity and the double debt
26:14·that they had forced upon them all the way back in 1825 Arin demanded that France pay Haiti
26:21·nothing less than $21 billion in reparations a figure that was at the
26:27·time more than four times greater than the entire haian GDP within only months
26:33·of him making this demand farri paramilitary rebels in Haiti began launching an extremely successful
26:39·rebellion in the country and some of these Rebels had allegedly received previous training from US Special Forces
26:46·by February of 2004 these Rebels had captured Haiti's fourth and second largest cities and they were beginning
26:51·to lay Siege to the capital Porter Prince as the rebels began breaking into and sacking the capital on the the 29th
26:58·of February Diplomatic Security Service officers from the United States arrived at the haian presidential Palace and
27:04·what followed next between them is unclear and deeply controversial according to most American government
27:10·officials arisin chose to then voluntarily resign as Haiti's president and wanted to escape from the country as
27:16·the rebels broke into the capital he allegedly agreed to be transferred to hadi's primary airport escorted by US
27:22·security Personnel where he then boarded a plane and was flown directly to the Central African Republic to live a new
27:28·life in Exile however there are tons of conflicting accounts as to what exactly
27:33·happened according to aristy himself the American officials who came to him on that morning pressured him into
27:38·immediately resigning saying that if he didn't the rebels would break into the palace and murder him in his entire
27:43·family aide claimed that he was forced to resign then kidnapped by American forces taken at gunpoint to the airport
27:50·and then flown out without any knowledge of where he was actually going where the French managed to convince the Central
27:56·African Republic to accept him live on the plane as the events were continuing to happen where he was then forcibly
28:02·flown into Exile against his will these allegations from aristy have also been
28:07·pretty heavily supported by the actions of the Americans and the French that surrounded the timeline of his removal
28:12·from Power very notably the United Nations security Council of which France and the United States are each permanent
28:18·members rejected an appeal from the Caribbean community on the 26th of February 2004 that would have sent
28:24·International peacekeeping forces to Haiti to stop the Rebellion before aristy had actually resigned then only 3
28:32·days later on the 29th of February merely hours after aristy had resigned
28:37·under these dubious circumstances the United Nations security Council suddenly voted unanimously with both French and
28:44·American approvals to authorize an armed intervention into Haiti immediately after arista's resignation in Exile
28:51·Haiti Supreme Court chief justice named bonafos Alexander succeeded him as the acting interim president and wouldn't
28:57·you know it Alexander also immediately withdrew Haiti's demand for the $21 billion worth of reparations from France
29:05·that aride had made himself only months previously and no official Haitian government demands on the reparations
29:11·have been made ever since the very next day a thousand US Marines were suddenly
29:16·deployed to Haiti to restore order while French Canadian and Chilean troops came the following morning 18 years later in
29:23·2022 a damning report released by The New York Times including direct testimony from the former French
29:29·Ambassador who was serving to Haiti back then in 2004 concluded that the events of February 2004 in hati amounted to
29:36·nothing less than a cou d'a toss sponsored by France and the United States to overthrow the democratically
29:42·elected government of Jean Bertrand aristy in order to crush Haiti's demands for $21 billion worth of reparations
29:49·from France then after aristy was pushed into Exile in Africa the United States passed over the responsibility of
29:55·maintaining the peace in Haiti to the French and then later to the Brazilians as the United Nations stabilization
30:01·mission in Haiti better known by its French acronym as Mana led by the Brazilians for nearly all of its history
30:07·Mana was initially tasked with simply restoring Law and Order and democracy to Haiti by creating the conditions
30:12·required to host new elections again but mana and thousands of foreign troops from all over the world would remain in
30:18·Haiti all the way until 2019 15 years later after they had arrived as Haiti
30:25·stability always seemed forever Out Of Reach Mission creep set in and more and more disasters kept befalling the
30:33·chronically unfortunate people of hati you see across the 1990s and 2000s it
30:38·was continuous political disasters coups rebellions and foreign interventions that kept hobbling Haiti's ability to
30:45·develop events that were all nearly absent within the Dominican Republic but in the next decade across the 2010s it
30:51·would become Haiti's unique Geographic problems that would contribute more to the pace of continuous disasters is
30:57·holding the country back because while thousands of foreign troops in Haiti under Mana could change Haiti's
31:03·political stability through Force they could do nothing to alter Haiti's Geographic instability you see despite
31:09·being located on the same island Haiti and the Dominican Republic do have some very notably different Geographic quirks
31:15·about them well some people have speculated in the past that the rainfall levels are higher in the Dominican Republic and that contributes to better
31:22·agricultural potential that's not actually really true rainfall levels across both sides of the island are
31:27·fairly consistent and if anything the Haitian side actually receives a little more rainfall than the Dominican side
31:32·does with abundant rainfall warm temperatures year round in Fairly good soils both sides of the island naturally
31:39·possess a very strong capability for agriculture it's why Haiti was the epicenter of the global sugar and coffee
31:44·Industries back during the colonial era both sides of the island have also experienced very similar demographic growth rate since the start of the 1950s
31:52·in 1961 at the end of the true hio dictatorship in the Dominican Republic Haiti's population was was roughly 4
31:57·million while the Dominican Republics was about 3.4 million 40 Years Later by
32:03·2001 the Dominican Republic's population more than doubled to about 8.7 million while Haiti would roughly double as well
32:10·to about 8.5 million well both would keep on growing from there at similar rates to their current populations in
32:15·2023 of about 11.8 million people in Haiti and 11.3 million people in the
32:20·Dominican Republic however despite the two having very similar levels of demographic growth and very similar
32:26·total population sizes Haiti is only about half of the Dominican Republic's Geographic size which means that Haiti
32:33·has always been significantly more densely populated than the Dominican Republic has been in fact out of all the
32:40·countries in the world today with more than 1 million people Haiti is one of the most densely populated anywhere with
32:45·an average density that's roughly identical to the Netherlands other than little Barbados Haiti is the most
32:51·densely populated country in the Western Hemisphere today with a significantly higher density than all of its immediate
32:57·neighbors but density all on its own doesn't imply poverty in fact higher population densities appear to correlate
33:03·more with greater wealth generation worldwide not less out of the top 15 densest countries with more than a
33:10·million people in the world roughly half of them are considered to be highly developed economies most of them are
33:16·fairly middle of the road and only three of them are considered to be least developed countries and only Haiti among
33:22·those three is located outside of subsaharan Africa within hai's unique GE graphic setting however higher
33:28·population density works against it in the sense that Haiti is also one of the most uniquely vulnerable locations in
33:35·the world to frequent natural disasters of many different kinds both sides of
33:40·Hispanola are very frequently battered by tropical storms and hurricanes being that Hispanola is placed in the western
33:46·Atlantic and the Caribbean which is one of the most hurricane prone locations in the world devastating and Powerful
33:52·hurricanes have rocked both Haiti and the Dominican Republic all throughout their histories but Haiti has evolved
33:58·over time to become more vulnerable to these storms for two very big reasons
34:03·first hai's population is obviously far more concentrated than within the Dominican Republic which makes them more
34:09·vulnerable to higher levels of damage whenever these storms hit the island and second Haiti has a serious deforestation
34:16·problem that the neighboring Dominican Republic simply doesn't have Haiti cut down huge amounts of their forests to
34:22·sell to the French and the Americans across the 19th and 20th centuries to help pay off their double debt while
34:28·more recently it was eventually found that Hispanola has practically zero coal oil or natural gas resources and that's
34:35·meant that for their entire modern histories both Haiti and the Dominican Republic have had to import virtually
34:41·the entirety of the fossil fuels that they've consumed and both continue relying on these Imports very heavily
34:47·Haiti continues to generate 80% of their electricity with these imported fossil fuels while the Dominican Republic
34:53·generates 85% of their electricity with them and both continue to overwhelmingly rely on imported gasoline for their
34:59·transportation sectors but because the Dominican Republic has been a more politically stable source of foreign
35:05·investment ever since the 1970s the Dominican Republic has been able to attract greater foreign investment than
35:11·Haiti has and so they have a significantly more developed electricity grid than Haiti does while the Dominican Republic's electricity grid is far from
35:18·perfect and still subject to occasional blackouts more than 98% of the Dominican population has regular access to
35:24·electricity as of 2021 only 47% of Haitians have regular access to
35:30·electricity Haiti is therefore one of only two countries worldwide outside of subsaharan Africa where the majority of
35:36·people still don't have any access to electricity the only other one being Papua New Guinea and Oceania and because
35:42·of this the majority of Haitians continue relying instead on burning wood for charcoal as their primary source of
35:48·energy which is also obviously exacerbated what was Haiti's already bad deforestation problem as of 2023 it's
35:56·currently estimated that because of these factors only about 12% of Haiti's land continues to be covered by Forest
36:03·which is down from about 60% Forest cover only a century ago back in 1923
36:09·the neighboring Dominican Republic right next door however continues to have about 44% of its much larger land mass
36:16·covered by forests this huge difference between them becomes extremely evident
36:22·when you look at the border between them today which even without the wall that's currently being constructed between them
36:27·is one of the most obvious political borders anywhere in the world to spot from the air or from space because the
36:32·Haitian side has virtually zero trees whatsoever while the Dominican Republic side is still covered by thick forests
36:40·the trees literally begin and end precisely where the Dominican Republic begins and ends Haiti deforestation
36:46·problem then further increases the country's vulnerability to hurricanes and tropical storms because without all
36:52·of the trees and their deep roots planted in the soil Haiti soil is much more vulnerable to erosion and so when
36:58·hurricanes and tropical storms hit the island the Haitian side experiences more catastrophic floods landslides and
37:04·mudslides than the Dominican side does and so because of its much greater population density and its much worse
37:10·deforestation problem Haiti is more vulnerable to destruction from hurricanes than the Dominican Republic
37:15·is despite them each being present on the same exact Island but Haiti also has
37:21·another extremely serious Geographic handicap that is largely absent in the neighboring Dominican Republic the
37:27·existence of very active tectonic fault lines that run directly through their most densely populated areas you see the
37:34·island of Hispanola exists at the geologic intersection of the North American tectonic plate to the North and
37:40·the Caribbean tectonic plate to the South two major fault lines run across the island in the South and the North
37:46·and when you overlay a map of the Island's population density and political borders over these fault lines you begin to see the major problem Haiti
37:54·is more than twice as densely populated as the Dominican Republic and the most densely populated part of the country is
38:00·located precisely along this Southern fault line the Dominican Republic has a more spread out population and the
38:06·Dominican Republic's biggest city Santo Domingo is safely located in the southeast of the island far away from
38:12·both of the fault lines and across recent history this Northern fault line has been the more dormant of the two
38:19·with very few notable events over the past several centuries this is meant that the Dominican Republic's second
38:24·largest city Santiago deos cab Aros has been spared from any very big earthquakes just like the Dominican
38:30·Republic's largest city has been as well and then on the other hand Haiti has not
38:36·been as fortunate it appears that the southern fault line that runs through the island goes through alternating
38:41·periods of intense seismic activity and long dormant periods in between it was
38:46·very active during the French and Spanish Colonial periods and caused frequent devastating earthquakes back then but then it remained largely
38:53·dormant for a very long period of 24 40 years until the unfortunate Year of 2010
39:00·came around in between that time the haian people started caring less about a potential future earthquake that might
39:06·or might not have happened during their lifetimes and started caring more about the frequent hurricanes that battered
39:12·them nearly every single year and so they began building their homes out of concrete and cinder blocks they were
39:18·better at resisting the Strong Winds of hurricanes in comparison to homes built out of wood that would have been better
39:24·at resisting the Tremors of an earthquake and then in 2010 after 240
39:30·years of dorcy the Southern fault line Unleashed a catastrophic earthquake that
39:35·shook the nation of Haiti to their core the epicenter of the Quake struck merely
39:40·16 miles away from haes capital and largest city Porto Prince the homes that
39:45·were poorly built with cemented cinder blocks to resist hurricanes Came Crashing Down and an estimated
39:52·250,000 Haitians lost their lives making the 2010 Haiti earthquake the single
39:58·deadliest natural disaster of the entire 21st century so far and something that
40:04·the neighboring Dominican Republic was almost completely spared from and in addition to killing around a quarter of
40:09·a million people in Haiti the 2010 earthquake caused an estimated $8.5 billion dollar in economic damage to the
40:17·country as well a figure that represented nearly three4 of the entire Haitian GDP at the time the Brazilian Le
40:24·Mana still present in Haiti from the 4 rebellion in coup was forced into extending their stay for longer in the
40:30·country in order to deal with the sheer apocalyptic scale of the humanitarian disaster after 2010 and then almost
40:38·immediately after the earthquake ravaged Haiti Disaster struck the country yet again foreign aid workers from all
40:45·around the world came to Haiti after the earthquake to assist with the United Nations response and Recovery efforts
40:50·but it's believed that only months after the earthquake happened United Nations peacekeepers from Nepal who came to
40:56·assist Mana in Haiti accidentally introduced chalera to the country a bacterial disease that mostly spreads
41:02·through unsanitary water and food the introduction of that disease to Haiti then sparked what also became the
41:08·deadliest chaler outbreak of the entire 21st century as well over the next 9
41:14·years up until 2019 nearly 820,000 people in Haiti would become infected by
41:20·CA while 10,000 of them would die from the disease and then as the chalera
41:25·outbreak was raging the country was still reeling from the catastrophe of the 2010 earthquake came Hurricane
41:31·Matthew in October of 2016 a category 4 storm that was the third strongest
41:36·hurricane ever on record to strike Haiti that storm killed another 546 people in
41:42·Haiti caused another $2.8 billion more in economic damages destroyed more than
41:48·200,000 people's homes and exacerbated the country's still ongoing chera epidemic even further Mina would finally
41:56·withdraw from Haiti in 2019 after 15 years of continuous presence in the country but the lasting legacies of the
42:03·2004 us and French intervention in the country that overthrew the democratically elected president who had
42:09·demanded reparations from France and then Mina's subsequent introduction of kalera to Haiti that killed thousands
42:15·more all combined to severely damage Haiti's trust in the rest of the outside world while the failure after failure of
42:22·the 1994 intervention and the 2004 to 2019 intervention to actually establish
42:28·stability within Haiti left a bad taste in the mouth of the outside world as well who didn't really want to try
42:34·intervening in Haiti again Haiti's last elected president jovenel Moi was elected in 2016 as Mana continued
42:42·remaining in the country and that would ultimately end up becoming what is to date the final election that's ever been
42:47·held in the country boyy himself repeatedly faced accusations of corruption and after he started delaying
42:52·Haiti parliamentary elections that were supposed to be held in 2019 while man USTA withdrew from the country protests
42:58·against his administration began growing and then came his assassination in July of 2021 under the aformentioned deeply
43:04·suspicious circumstances and Ariel Henry who might have had something to do with the assassination Rose to power in his
43:11·place without any election afterwards and then only 2 months after Mo's assassination and the rise of Henry the
43:17·southern fault line running through Haiti triggered again and caused another catastrophic earthquake in Haiti's
43:23·tiberon Peninsula that killed more than 2200 people and caused another $1.7
43:28·billion in estimated economic damage and that is what established the conditions
43:33·for the gangs in Haiti to begin carving out their control of about 90% of the country's capital Haiti's current status
43:40·as a failing State and the United Nations deciding that yet another armed intervention into the country was
43:45·necessary just a few months ago this time however the Biden Administration in Washington decided that the United
43:52·States would not be the one leading the intervention on the ground because of how badly ly all of the past several us
43:57·interventions into the country of all gone after approaching Canada and Brazil Who each refused to lead the mission
44:03·Washington eventually turned to Kenya to lead this latest intervention Kenya does have significant experience with
44:09·previous un peacekeeping operations and more importantly the Biden Administration was able to convince them
44:15·to lead this new intervention into Haiti by putting up $100 million worth of funding to cover it in addition to
44:21·agreeing on a 5-year defense cooperation agreement with Kenya that offered up unspecified us support for Kenya and
44:27·their own ongoing war with al-shabab in neighboring Somalia so in exchange for
44:32·increased American Support fighting against al-shabab at home and knowing that Kenyan soldiers can earn much higher wages as a part of un
44:39·peacekeeping operations than they otherwise could within the Kenyan Armed Forces Kenya has agreed to lead the
44:44·charge into Haiti and deploy a thousand of their own police officers and soldiers as a part of this newest un
44:49·intervention their mission will be to reclaim the control of Porto Prince from The Gangs Who currently dominate the
44:54·city and restore the Authority back to the Haitian government so that elections continually delayed ever since 2016 can
45:01·finally take place again but doubts abound as to how successful this Kenyon Le intervention into Haiti will actually
45:07·end up being there is a very very long history of corruption in both the Kenyan and the haian police forces there are
45:14·fears that Kenya's intervention might end up just strengthening The Power of One gang in Haiti that happens to have
45:19·ties to the Haitian government and police that will end up dominating over all of the others and while the Kenyans
45:25·backed by American funding might be able to restore the Haitian government's security sovereignty two things that
45:30·they won't be able to restore to Haiti on their own will be the country's monetary sovereignty and its safety from
45:35·continued natural disasters in total natural disasters in Haiti between 2010
45:40·and the present have caused around $14 billion worth of economic damage to the country and have continued hobbling
45:47·Haiti's ability to develop while the last time that a major natural disaster hit the Dominican Republic was Hurricane
45:53·George back in 1998 the caus more than $9.3 billion in damage but there have
45:59·been very negligible natural disasters that have happened to the Dominican Republic ever since ultimately without
46:05·the same deforestation problem without the same high levels of population density and without the same levels of
46:11·crippling economic lost opportunities from the colonial era that Haiti has endured the Dominican Republic has been
46:16·much more resistant to earthquakes and hurricanes than Haiti has been and with much less frequent catastrophic natural
46:22·disasters and greater political stability the Dominican Republic has been able to accomplish a lot of things
46:27·recently that Haiti has never been able to do like establishing an absolutely booming tourism sector in 2022 more than
46:35·82 million tourists visited the Dominican Republic making it the most popular tourist destination in the
46:42·entire Caribbean and even within the top five most popular tourist destinations in all of the Americas tourism now
46:49·accounts for nearly 12% of the Dominican Republic's entire GDP and it's become one of the country's leading Industries
46:56·but Haiti because of its terrible poverty frequent disasters and chronic internal instability and violence has
47:02·long struggled to attract the same levels of Tourism as its neighbor as recently as 2018 though Haiti was still
47:09·able to successfully pull around 1.3 million tourists to the country and earned around $620 million in the
47:16·process but ever since the covid-19 pandemic began and this most recent crisis in the country began in 2021
47:23·tourism to Haiti has crashed to a virtual standstill that year in 2021 a
47:28·mere 148,000 tourists visited Haiti and they generated only 80 million in
47:34·revenue for the country and that's in comparison to the 8.5 million tourists who visited the Dominican Republic in
47:41·20122 hadi's got many of the same Geographic historic and cultural appeals to tourism that the Dominican Republic
47:48·has but it just has The Chronic instability poverty and natural disaster issues that the Dominican Republic
47:54·doesn't and so so tourism towards the Dominican Republic continues growing year after year in a sort of positive
48:00·feedback loop while tourism towards Haiti continues crashing year after year in a more sort of negative feedback loop
48:07·which has been expanding the wealth gap between the Dominican Republic and Haiti even further and while neither side has
48:13·any major fossil fuel resources the Dominican Republic has had far more mineral wealth discovered than Haiti has
48:20·which includes the location of what's literally the largest and most profitable gold mine in all of Latin
48:26·America and the 13th largest gold mine discovered in the entire world the Pueblo Vio mine this single huge Gold
48:34·Mine currently represents about 2% of the Dominican Republic's entire GDP now
48:39·and it's become the country's single largest corporate taxpayer having paid more than $2.6 billion in taxes just
48:46·between 2013 and 2020 by contrast Haiti has exactly zero existing mines
48:53·currently in operation and there haven't ever been any discoveries made in the country that are as significant as Pueblo vijo in the Dominican Republic
49:00·the Dominican Republic has been able to use their excess tax revenues from their booming tourism and Mining sectors that
49:06·are absent in Haiti to reinvest aggressively into education healthc care and infrastructure in the country which
49:12·has then only compounded the Dominican Republic's economic advantages over Haiti even further and this is all in a
49:19·nutshell why the Dominican Republic has become so much more prosperous than Haiti has and with yet another foreign
49:26·intervention into Haiti looming it's unclear what if anything could end up fixing Haiti permanently in the future
49:33·some arguments have been made that in order to fix Haiti for good the country's economic sovereignty should be
49:38·finally restored to it at the same time as the country's security sovereignty is restored the argument goes that the
49:45·French government who initially extorted Haiti with the indemnity in 1825 along with the American government
49:52·and the banks like cic and City Bank who profited off of of the indemnity later should finally honor the demands made by
49:59·Jean Bertrand aristy in 2003 by setting up a reparations payment to Haiti
50:04·totaling $21 billion an amount that is still greater than the entire Haitian
50:09·GDP without it they argue Haiti will continue not being able to invest in themselves and develop themselves and
50:16·they'll continue being a politically unstable and violent open wound on the Earth's surface that continues causing
50:22·expensive problems for all of their neighbors down the road like the Dominican Republic's new border wall in
50:28·addition to the hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing towards the United States that Washington will keep having
50:34·to deal with if this next intervention into Haiti only restores the government sovereignty in a security sense and not
50:40·in an economic sense with the reparations then future costly International interventions into Haiti
50:46·might continue becoming necessary as they've ultimately proven to be after every single previous intervention that
50:53·never attempted to make right the historical wrong done to Haiti in the first place but the last time that a
50:59·Haitian head of state demanded these reparations in 2003 it seemingly resulted in a us and French sponsored
51:06·coup his own forced exile to another continent and 15 years worth of foreign
51:11·troops on their territory that apparently accomplished so little in all that time that more foreign troops are
51:17·going back to the country again only 4 years after they left and as a result
51:23·the future of Haiti has arguably never been in more doubt than it currently is while the Dominican Republic's future is
51:30·bright enough that it will likely emerge as a fully developed country by the end of the decade with a wall resembling a
51:36·fortress that will separate itself from the completely different universe that will exist over on the Island's other
51:43·side a frontier that could eventually become historically different as the one separating South Korea from North Korea
51:49·is today and just like how the Korean Peninsula produced two very different outcomes today so too has the island of
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9 posted on 03/26/2024 2:36:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: EEGator

There were other factors at play.

You have heard that american indians were killed by diseases from africa and europe?

In the first centuries of colonization—African diseases typically killed all the white settlers in the caribbean and the tropics.

Africans didn’t have problems with african diseases.


10 posted on 03/26/2024 2:36:55 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Eleutheria5

Courage to respect truth.


11 posted on 03/26/2024 2:38:13 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Eleutheria5

Mostly it’s plain old corruption.
Promoted quite heavily by the US and it’s Helping Hands.

The rich in every country do pretty well for themselves. I’m really glad that all kinds of folks can get rich. I’ve made lots of money doing stuff for rich folks, after all, they have the money to pay the hefty prices I charge.

Trouble is when the systems in a place gets so corrupt, then the levers of power are used to crush those not in The Club.

The Have Nots around the world are starting to make noise.
that’s why The Haves need to start another World War to kill off a few million young men, wreck a few countries, and profit on every step along the way.

From the first Negotiations and payoffs, to the final land grabs, The Haves are gonna do quite well once again.

Haiti? oh yeah, got sidetracked by something more lucrative. what were we talking about again?


12 posted on 03/26/2024 2:38:43 PM PDT by Macoozie (Roll MAGA, roll!)
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To: EEGator

“I wish I had a Time Machine so I could go back and kill every slave owner. Every beautiful island in the Caribbean is ruined via importation of negroes. Imagine Haiti and DR if it was white.”

yaow-zuhh!

You do know that the folks living on THEIR islands throughout the Caribbean, way back in your Time Machine days weren’t white?

Or do you think they were chubby, pasty white chuckleheads like you?

An enquiring mind wants to know.


13 posted on 03/26/2024 2:44:52 PM PDT by Macoozie (Roll MAGA, roll!)
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To: Eleutheria5

Same comparison holds true when comparing South America and Africa. South America is the land of opportunity compared to Africa.


14 posted on 03/26/2024 2:45:59 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: MinorityRepublican

They also apparently made a picture with Satan to kick out the French.

It is their inability or unwillingness to invest in themselves. Even though the French too all the trees, they could have replanted them.


15 posted on 03/26/2024 2:46:44 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Do you know why I'm always right? It's because I know everything. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

They also apparently made a pact with with Satan to kick out the French.

It is their inability or unwillingness to invest in themselves. Even though the French too all the trees, they could have replanted them.


16 posted on 03/26/2024 2:47:05 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Do you know why I'm always right? It's because I know everything. )
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To: SunkenCiv

wow.


17 posted on 03/26/2024 2:50:49 PM PDT by ronniesgal (have you even tried to mind your own business?)
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To: Jonty30
Apparently they practice voodoo over there. Anyway, they're still stuck in the Stone Age. But with guns.

In the long run, I think they're better off if we leave them alone. Survival of the fittest. We shouldn't intervene because the pattern will remain the same.

18 posted on 03/26/2024 2:58:19 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Paladin2

Every time somebody spoke French in Haiti, some guy with a mustache would get real randy and put down his cigar.


19 posted on 03/26/2024 2:59:26 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Jonty30

Israel made the desert bloom, planted forests, desalinated water and redirected it where it would do the most good. This despite pogroms, terror, a feckless British colonial power that did all it could to block refugees from Europe. But we had lots of practice thriving under adversity, and a culture and religion that honors and encourages study and thought.

The Haitians were forcibly imported from a prehistoric environment to enslavement and oppression. They had none of that. But somehow, despite the crushing debt and cultural backwardness, they invaded DR and occupied it for forty years. Destructiveness, driving off the French, conquering DR, doesn’t take much smarts. Building and cultivating, however, does.


20 posted on 03/26/2024 3:06:47 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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