Posted on 03/25/2024 8:42:01 AM PDT by delta7
It would be nice to think that all we have to do is get out and vote to rid ourselves of these warmongers. But they control the elections, and they are in their glory. I do not see how we can avoid this war. They are doing everything in their power to prevent RFK from being on the ballot and to destroy Donald Trump, all so they retain their power with their hand puppet, Joe Biden.
Before Biden was Vice President, I was at some dinner many years ago and I was not impressed with him back then. In fact, the rumor was that he would not pay his bills and stiffed many local businessmen. So much so that he applied to be a member at the Willmington Country Clud and was rejected because he stiffed so many local people; now they want Biden in office for they can do as they please, and he will never defend the people or our nation.
Between the climate change nuts who are happy to reduce the world population to save the planet from the CO2 we breathe out by just existing and the NEOCONs who just hate Russians, Chinese, or anybody else that crosses their path, we are headed into what our computer has been forecast all along for 2032.
Any mainstream press that starts off calling the Russian election a “sham” or that the Russian invasion to protect the Donbas was “unprovoked” is cheering the end of our world as we know it. They are disgusting journalists who, as the old saying goes, if they were on fire, nobody should dare urinate on them until they are dead. They are the promoters of World War III and will have so much blood on their hands that it will be impossible to ever wash it off like Punius Pilot.
Once upon a time, we were told that nuclear weapons were a deterrent against World War III. Now, they no longer serve that purpose and instead seem to be weapons of first choice.
Even Putin himself has come out warning: is this where you really want to go? People are stepping up in Russia, calling for Russia to give Ukrainians 24 hours to get out of town and then just nuke Ukraine as the ONLY way to stop World War III and demonstrate to the world what will happen if we continue down this path.
Putin has been seeking peace, but the US refuses to allow any peace negotiations to take place. When there was a deal, the NEOCONs sent in Boris Johnson to instruct Zelensky there would be no peace deals – this was about destroying Russia.
The NEOCON Robert S. McNamara, before he died, came out and admitted they were wrong about Vietnam. They had convinced themselves that Russia was behind that one as well. He admitted it was just a civil war. Yet, nearly 60,000 American soldiers died in that war. Today, nearly 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers are dead for this war the NEOCONs created to get Russia.
During World War I, the civilian casualty ratio was about 59%. During World War II, it was 60% to 67%. This is why the Climate Change people are BEHIND THE CURTAIN cheering nuclear war. They see it as the next way to “thin the herd,” for they see that the Earth repairs itself quickly. We are the problem.
Viktor Orban of Hungary is the ONLY sound leader in Europe. He has come out and said bluntly, which is why NATO and Brussels hate him:
“It’s a strange feeling when you come from Hungary to Brussels. Hungary looks like a completely normal country. We have a calm and rational mindset, and if you come to Brussels and talk to politicians, you will be surprised. There is a military mood, military language, and military logic. The leaders talk as if they are waging their own war against Russia. And now they are saying that soldiers should be stationed in Ukraine.
It is not clear exactly what they mean, where they should be stationed, with what weapons and for what purposes. But they have already begun to prepare for the fact that in this situation it will be quite natural if Western European countries deploy military posts on the territory of Ukraine, which shocks Hungarians.
Therefore, I felt as if I had entered another galaxy, and we must be careful not to fall into the psychosis of these twenty or so state leaders. [How far are Western leaders willing to go in terms of supporting Ukraine? The most disturbing thing about this whole story is that two or three months ago it was unthinkable, now, two or three months later, it becomes an ordinary event.”
That’s what I said – the worse, the better. Ukraine attacked the Belgorod region. Where is Ukraine’s energy sector now? Russia has always needed a good kick in the ass for it to act. So, let NATO troops enter Ukraine. The war will end much faster then. And the West will get a lesson for memory that it is bad to fight with Russia.
Vladolf Putler has his own Goebbels — Armstrong.
The French will die for love.
The British will die for honor.
The Americans will die for freedom.
The Russians will die.
One doesn't seek peace by engineering a color revolution and overthrowing a democratically elected government, either, or by reneging on a signed peace agreement.
The government in Kyiv was and is legitimate. If Yanukovych had been overthrown by a coup, as you characterize it, the proper response would be to call new elections, not to secede. National elections were held, twice. Donbas could have fully participated if not for Russian occupation. With those two elections, any justification for Donbas secession disappears. Nor does it justify Russian intervention.
By the way, your use of “Kiev” rather than “Kyiv” shows yourself as nothing but a Russian apologist.
Is that what happened in Georgia and Moldova? And why Vlad is saber rattling at Poland and Finland?
Weird...
No. Very different.
Whatever the characterization of Yanukovych's overthrow, there have been two national elections since, election in which Donbas could have fully participated if not for Russian occupation. So the excuse of the so-called coup no longer exists.
As for signed peace agreements, it is Russia, not Ukraine, that violated the Minsk accords by failing to withdraw its forces, handing over the border to Ukrainian control, and blocking the referenda than Ukraine had planned. For its part, Ukraine, despite Russian propaganda, fulfilled its obligations by passing the law of autonomy for Donbas and by planning to hold the required referenda, which Russia blocked.
We could have rid the world of the most corrupt, criminal scum on the planet.
That's like saying "Whatever the reason for the murder, there have been two national elections since..."
Petrosius, you are OK.
Non sequitur. We disagree about the nature of Yanukovych’s overthrow. But that disagreement does not change the fact that there have been two national elections afterwards. So even if I were accept your premise that Yanukovych’s overthrow was an illegal coup, it has no bearing on the legitimacy of the present government.
Why would you participate in elections conducted by the people who defecated on the result of an election your side won?
BS... In all 3 cases, Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine, “separatist” groups backed by Russia were used to justify Russian military action.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Because elections are the way that political disputes are settled peacefully. Let's not pretend that the protests against Yanukovych were just fomented by some sort of CIA magic. Yanukovych betrayed his own electoral mandate by bowing to Russian pressure and reversing himself on the Ukraine-EU agreement. Nor can you pretend that you are protecting democracy by having an ethnic minority use foreign assistance to overthrow the local government in its own military coup.
People who would conduct a coup to get their way would have no problem stealing an election to get their way.
You just want them to legitimize your coup by voting in your rigged elections.
Do you really want to make this justification for the invasion by Russia, the home of the show election?
So you admit the Ukraine "elections" are rigged!
Progress!
I made no such admission. All I was doing was showing the absurdity of your rationalization. Russia and its supporters are hardly in any place to present themselves as the defenders of democracy. Nor can any internal dispute be the justification of Russia’s invasion. Just admit that Russia invaded because Putin and company do not accept Ukrainian independence, and that you support Russia’s attempt to reestablish its old imperial borders. Don’s waste your time with ridiculous justifications.
TRANSLATION: Rigged Ukraine elections are OK because Russian elections are allegedly rigged.
Putin has been seeking peace.
LOL. That is such classical Kremlin Bolshevik gaslighting. Only the dimmest bulbs are duped by such nonsense.
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