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The EV Market is Imploding, So Biden Is About to Mandate Them
Hotair ^ | 03/20/2024 | David Strom

Posted on 03/20/2024 10:17:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: dangus

RE: . Tesla meanwhile still can’t keep up with demand.

So, there’s no need for a government mandate or even subsidies then. Let the EV’s compete openly in the market place and if people want to buy them, be our guest. Why does the government need to be involved?


41 posted on 03/20/2024 11:31:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: rdcbn1

IF someone owns an apartment complex with 60 unit-—& local laws demand 2 parking spaces per apartment-—

That equals 120 charging stations-—to JUST ONE LOCATION

A group of apartments in one area of a city==TOTAL power shortage.


42 posted on 03/20/2024 11:32:36 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: linMcHlp

Currently-—JOE wants to stop allowing the current ‘FREON’ used in refrigerators/freezers/ Air Conditioners.


43 posted on 03/20/2024 11:34:11 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“ Land of the Free, home of the Brave.”

More like Land of the Freeloaders, Home of the Knaves.


44 posted on 03/20/2024 11:35:09 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (We have not yet achieved peak crazy)
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To: rhinohunter

I do now.

I DEPEND on SUMMIT RACING PARTS 800-230-3030 for anything I need.

THEY HAVE NEVER LET ME DOWN.


45 posted on 03/20/2024 11:37:00 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: servo1969
The point isn’t to have everyone using electric cars; the point is to have no one using cars.

Exactly. The problems aren't a fault, they're a feature. It all makes sense once you understand the game.

46 posted on 03/20/2024 11:48:19 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: SeekAndFind

EVs are boutique cars with an already saturated market, Tesla got in first and the Johnny-come-latelys are the losers now.


47 posted on 03/20/2024 12:06:10 PM PDT by JJBookman (Democrats = Party of EVs nobody wants )
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To: SeekAndFind

ANOTHER reason to keep the old beaters running!


48 posted on 03/20/2024 12:07:21 PM PDT by JJBookman (Democrats = Party of EVs nobody wants )
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To: SeekAndFind

BIG NEED TO GET RID OF ALL DEMOCRATS.

VOTE,DEMOCRATS OUT.


49 posted on 03/20/2024 12:12:39 PM PDT by Pearfect (Ou can't beat the competition lock them up.h )
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To: SeekAndFind
...the big automakers are crying uncle, having lost billions trying to fill a demand that only exists in the fevered imaginations of the environmentalists.

Musk needs to move over to hybrids and lighter batteries until technology catches up with the dream. We need Elon Musk happy, wealthy and wise. He's one of our good guy protectors....

50 posted on 03/20/2024 12:17:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (If you don't benefit from treason, eventually you become a Trump voter. - - Dave Conley)
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To: ridesthemiles

Yup.


51 posted on 03/20/2024 12:19:48 PM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Magnum44

Egg-Zackaly


52 posted on 03/20/2024 12:22:52 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: ClearCase_guy; bitt
***The EV Market is Imploding, So Biden Is About to Mandate Them
Mandate all the stuff that people do not like.***

It is a DICTATORSHIP! EO's✔❗ Some day all FReepers are going to recognize that fact and stop complaining about violations of the Constitution and start dealing with reality...👈 and how to correct that. 💰 Support the candidate of your choice and work like crazy to get them in office💪

53 posted on 03/20/2024 12:31:24 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: monkeyshine
I’m curious whether the new car market in general is also soft. Focusing on EV demand is fair but what is demand for new cars in general?

The auto industry has been cranking out vehicles that people cant afford for the last several years. Interest rates are high enough now that buying a $50K+ vehicle is impossible for most middle class buyers..

54 posted on 03/20/2024 12:38:01 PM PDT by EVO X ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

>> So, there’s no need for a government mandate or even subsidies then. Let the EV’s compete openly in the market place and if people want to buy them, be our guest. Why does the government need to be involved? <<

Hence, my comment that this was a major compromise. He planned to require 50% of cars sold to be strictly electric. Automakers announced lawsuits (Toyota and I would suspect Ford?). This is basically admitting temporary defeat while saving face and keeping most of his base happy. (That is, the big-government folks who generally like the idea of the government doing “everything it can” to promote electric cars, but don’t know very much about the issue.)


55 posted on 03/20/2024 12:46:36 PM PDT by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s almost like they just threw some random numbers at the wall, said that sounds good, let’s do it and call it a day.


56 posted on 03/20/2024 12:50:26 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: rdcbn1

My position has always been that there is a very niche market that electric vehicles can support. They are not for everyone, and never can be.

if you have a routine commute for a short distance, have a garage and don’t need to go somewhere at any given time, then, electric vehicles may be an option. For the rest of the people who may live in a condo, apartment or not have a garage to park it inside, and have varying driving habits. The technology simply isn’t there and can’t be there by the very nature of relying on batteries for propulsion versus starting an engine.


57 posted on 03/20/2024 1:42:31 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: stars & stripes forever; tang-soo; Bob Ireland
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58 posted on 03/20/2024 2:58:56 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Bob Ireland

BOB DYLAN...

Lost soul in need of an exorcism.


59 posted on 03/20/2024 4:43:22 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose GOD is the LORD. (Psalm 33:12))
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To: matt04

“If you have a routine commute for a short distance, have a garage and don’t need to go somewhere at any given time, then, electric vehicles may be an option.”

I commute 106 miles round trip per day for a month or two contract then vacation for equal time. My next car will be a Model 3 RWD with LFP cells and FSD. The average daily round trip distance is 40 miles or less. @106 miles I am two sigma above the average commute. So my commute is not short distance it is one of the longest commutes anyone will regularly do as 99% of the population commutes a shorter distance. That said the model 3 has a 325 mile range and would make the trip round trip twice with ease. That particular company has 15 L2 spots in the parking deck for free use by employees or contractors. Which means my Model 3 will never need to be charged at home and every mile it is driven will cost zero in fuel cost to my pocket.

This last point alone will put $3000 in my pocket over a years time vs the S60 Volvo that does the commuting now. That S60 was also $58,000 vs $25,000 for a Model 3 and 20,000 miles used. Given the range of a M3 I will never need to charge at home as I can always make it back to the parking garage L2 and be back at 100% charge by lunch time. So from a capital expense from mile one the Tesla is already half the cost of the.Volvo per mile driven and has zero fuel cost vs 3.19 per gallon the Volvo is turbo and has to burn 93 @ 3.19 per gallon at 28 or less mpg in traffic at that.

The Volvo also requires full time steering and brake / throttle pedal work. The Tesla has auto follow mode with adaptive speed and lane following. It will come to a halt in bumper to bumper traffic and when the car in front moves it will follow it as t the distance you set it to follow at. This alone makes the car worth it, that and on the open highway you can go hands free with lane, speed, braking and speed limit changes all handled by the tech.

Should I need to go out of town with the M3 charging it off the 50 amp plug on the garage wall will put in 80% to 100% in a couple of hours while I sleep it wouldn’t be below 80% on any day coming home from the L2 since it left that at 100% and only 53 miles one way home. Leaving at 100% in any direction frok north of the DFW metroplex I am never more than 100 miles from a Tesla supercharger and significantly less to a CCS or J1772 charge point. A model 3 will take 170-250kw DC rates from a NACS or CCS plug with an adapter from Amazon. 200 miles is my limit on the bladder so with 200 miles gone and 125 remaining the M3 at 170kw takes 15 min to put back the 200 usually less depending on the bat temp.

I rent Teslas on the regular it’s a cheap fun easy test drive in real world use. Having done multiple 1800+ mile trips range nor charging has ever been a issue in any major city or along a interstate.
The tech in a Tesla is the selling point that and the free charging at destinations or work or hotels valet parking drastically cuts your fuel bill from $3.19 gal to zero.

Every major city is covered in chargers all of which a Tesla can use with the CCS adapter plug it is cheap and rated at 250kw or 240v/80amp AC do a filter for 50kw or.above those are your DC fast chargers then look at all the red dots on map those are all Tesla SC, blue and purple are CCS.

https://chargefinder.com/us/search


60 posted on 03/20/2024 5:06:42 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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